2:11:53 - not possible w/o drugs, supershoes?

Umm, you only need 1 athlete to demonstrate mind-boggling feats of human athletic performance to already reaffirm the disproportionate benefit of the shoes. The rest of 999 who didn't break no WR or PB do not need to counter-balance out this 1 athlete who ran mind-boggling. The assumption I made here is that drugs were not considered or offered no benefit.

Umm not quite right in my view. You only need just 1 super responder to the super shoes to effectively make an argument for the shoe. This super responder can be of any weight, height, size, shape, form, male, female or any demographic group doesn't matter. Just 1 is enough to FALSIFY the opposing theory. It's not a numbers game here where we count majority against minority using Bell Curve. It's a different approach we take, a non-statistical one. It's closer to a moral (philosophical) approach where the minority, even if just 1, can be right/true and beat out 1000 of the majority!

I believe she used PEDs to achieve this result. I’m not particularly interested in arguing about it though, I’m just contributing this factual tidbit:

The difference between the half marathon and marathon WRs for men/women is now very close. On the men’s side, 57:31 x 2 + 6:07 = 2:01:09; on the women’s, 62:52 x 2 + 6:09 = 2:11:53. In a way, this makes 2:11:53 for a woman seem more fathomable—though it’s very likely that all four WRs were achieved with the help of PEDs.

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the answer is obvious. she ran in the wrong event during her early career but due to them being 400/800, she focused heavily on running form. when she finally realized that she was a distance runner, she knew that her 30mpw training program wasn't going to cut it, so she slowly moved up her mileage. as the mileage increased, her energy levels decreased, which explained why her times in the 10k/HM were relatively slow. in 2023, she finally caught her breath and started handling those 100mpw properly, and BAM, 2:11:53. clean as a box of epo.

I note your points. I personally do believe Eliud's previous 2 WRs especially the most recent one in 2022 was definitely doped up despite the shoes. I don't quite like his age compared to Assefa's so that's part of the reason. I'm less inclined to think Jacob's 57:31 and Gidey's 62:52 is doped also due to their suitable ages. I know I talk a lot about supershoes, wavelights, drugs etc but I urge people not to forget one of the most important temporality aspects of distance WRs is the age at which it was commissioned. Out of Gidey, Jacob, Assefa and Eliud, Eliud is least like the rest in terms of age.

So I will quickly eliminate Eliud Kipchoge from the list of clean runners first and put on hold the rest!

Emily Sisson is faster than your hero (mine too) Emil Zatopek when he set Olympic record in the marathon.

God cheating!

Hey she was blessed

If this was was by Gidey, it would be believable, but now I am starting to think Ethiopa does have a PED issue. If this was a record by any other country, China or Russian for example...no one would believe it was clean.

This is nothing. Wait until genetic doping becomes a thing. For now we are seeing talented human beings on drugs with super shoes, but not far in the future we will see genetically modified people redefine sports. At least then it will be clear what we are dealing with and people may just finally discard the notion of clean sport. Look, it could be fun, imagine a sprinter with DNA tweaked for fast-twitch muscle promotion go up against a fully roided up "natural born" sprinter. Freak shows left and right.. if you run, you better do it for pure enjoyment and health because your times will never compare to anything we are seeing.

Honest question - why have you not believed it until now? Running is a premier sport in Ethiopia and Kenya and for them the money goes further than in most countries. So why would they not be doping?

I see no facts here. Some guy 40 years ago was slower, therefore it's not possible. Doesn't follow. But nice feelings you got there.

You people are relaly too innocent... I can't believe there are still people out there who think any world record breaking athlete today is clean.

We don't know if there's widespread doping in Ethiopia. We know that it's a huge problem in Kenya, and Ethiopians are more than match for Kenyans.

For ridiculous times by any super star athlete to be semi believable, we would need to have evidence of some kind of reasonable progression. The sport has gotten so rotten that we need evidence that people are not doping. The incentives and opportunities are just too great for it not to be widespread in the sport.

Sooooooooooo how about Jakob going for that WR? Still can't be done? this 800m runner did it.

I don't questioning WR wĥen the runner has an 'alibi' with former race results backing up it was a legit record.But this runner ĥas nothing to give a 2:15 last year and now 2;11:53 WR.

So basically you don't think drugs work.

They do and with so many talented runners proven to be doping it's obvious imo that you cannot run a world record clean especially as they were set by dopers.