If Monson ran 14:19 clean then she can run sub-14:10 dirty. Only 2 people in history have done that and we all assume they are dirty. Does she really seem that caliber runner?
The best American should absolutely be as good as the best East Africans. Or at least close. We have better training facilities, better nutrition, better health care, and lower poverty.
Why aren’t Europeans the best sprinters then? Or Japanese?
The primary issue with OP's post, is that OP believes that the people calling Shelby a doper and a liar are Shelby "haters". Most Shelby supporters believe that those who feel the opposite are just "haters" because as Shelby supporters they aren't consistent in their beliefs. They don't believe every drug cheat is innocent, just little Shelby. But Shelby haters aren't Shelby haters at all. They are simply people who hate doping no matter who does it.
Someone said earlier on this board, that no runner proves another runner is clean. I think that is correct.
I also have no problem saying this as someone who believes the facts, that Shelby doped: I do not believe Alicia is clean either. The list of sub 14:30 women is not very long, and filled with suspect runners. Either caught for doping, working with suspicious coaches, or training partners. There is not a single person on that list who I believe ran that time clean. Why on earth should I believe that Alicia is the exception?
She couldn’t use that as an excuse because it would involve admitting that she was taking PEDs and then the source and scope of their use within that group would probably have been a problem for everyone
There is a real liklihood that Shelby never actually doped and our "system" of determining who has doped is flawed. Whether it was a burrito or not, doping tests are a statistical game and houlihan failed a stats test. Doesn't mean she was a doper
Real likelihood like one in a billion? That stuff she tested positive for has literally zero chance of getting in a clean athlete’s body at the level she got popped for.
Okay, so please point me to published online studies where someone pumped a pig full of nandrolone and told someone to eat cooked flesh and then tested the person's nandrolone levels. Point is don't trust everything you read without a scientific study to prove the claim wrong
Real likelihood like one in a billion? That stuff she tested positive for has literally zero chance of getting in a clean athlete’s body at the level she got popped for.
Okay, so please point me to published online studies where someone pumped a pig full of nandrolone and told someone to eat cooked flesh and then tested the person's nandrolone levels. Point is don't trust everything you read without a scientific study to prove the claim wrong
There is a chance that what Shelby is saying is true and the governing body needs to do a real scientific investigation. Too many in the sports community think that these scientific tests are completely infallible...does anyone have a peer reviewed description of what the test method was that Shelby failed? Otherwise you dont have other scientists around the world actually reviewing the efficacy of these tests to see whether they can be trusted 100% of the time.
But so many people point to Jakob as proof that super spikes don’t make a difference.
How, he wears super spikes, in fact he wears the prototype of the next dragonfly.
Because he ran 3:30 as an 18 year old without "super spikes" so that's basically saying that he hasn't really improved over the last 4 years. It's just the spikes that have taken a few seconds off.
I believe that Shelby didn’t start doping until after the 2019 world championships when she ran the race of her life and still got crushed. Today’s run by Monson validates my belief. If Monson can run 14:19 while clean, that makes it more likely that Shelby was clean when she ran 14:23.
Your post has as much merit as saying El Guerrouj proves Ramzi was clean.
And Astro is the doping expert amd he said every top runner is doping. So if a 15 minute Tuohy is doping, Monson had to be. That or a clean Monson is better than a doped Tuohy. Astro made the claim.
When did a 15 min college runner - almost a minute off the wr - become a "top runner" if we are referring to pro's? Isn't this thread discussing 14.20 runners or better?
Your post has as much merit as saying El Guerrouj proves Ramzi was clean.
You’re just jealous because I came up with an interesting, original, and provocative idea that was good enough to be featured on the home page, and you can’t.
And Astro is the doping expert amd he said every top runner is doping. So if a 15 minute Tuohy is doping, Monson had to be. That or a clean Monson is better than a doped Tuohy. Astro made the claim.
When did a 15 min college runner - almost a minute off the wr - become a "top runner" if we are referring to pro's? Isn't this thread discussing 14.20 runners or better?
Okay, so please point me to published online studies where someone pumped a pig full of nandrolone and told someone to eat cooked flesh and then tested the person's nandrolone levels. Point is don't trust everything you read without a scientific study to prove the claim wrong
Point is: that's all in the CAS decision, which you never read.
Then you haven't read 1000 posts from Astro. He has told us for years that Tuohy is elite amd that Tuohy is a top runner. He is the self proclaimed doping expert who now informed us that all top runners are doping. He is telling us that Tuohy has to be doping and if Tuohy has to be doping at 15 minutes, then Monson is absolutely doping at 14:20.
It's not as if you can take Deca legally as long as it's within the limits. It's a banned substance period. Honestly it's all been settled.
I suppose we are all clear on this - note I wrote supplement as "supplement". The only question is why she got caught. Couple of possibilities - which all amount to intentional cheating of course:
1) She took her illegal "supplement" and somebody else's on top of it by mistake.
2) She measured her illegal "supplement" wrong.
3) The pharmacist measured the nandro part of her "supplement" wrong.
4) Her testosterone came contaminated with nandro.
5) She takes an extra large dose once in a while on purpose, and then hides from the testers the next day (should they come). But either she forgot that morning, or she didn't recognize the AIU tester.
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