I'm not sure if it's even in the rule book, but the USATF board can grant entry to anyone in any event under their discretion. At the end of the day, a cohort in the organization has the last call on the fields. It's their championships. I think in the 2016 trials Chris Derrick didn't have the trials 10k standard, but was gained entry by USATF. He was coming back from an injury and got 5th.
She might be entered, but highly unlikely she actually runs the 1500 since the 800 and 1500 are being run over the same period, i.e. not one after the other.
She might be entered, but highly unlikely she actually runs the 1500 since the 800 and 1500 are being run over the same period, i.e. not one after the other.
Athing Mu is NOT running the 800 at this year's USA Championships.
Lolol. Ok. Keep telling yourself that while the rest of us have a conversation about Mu running the 1500m.
I'm going to laugh when her name shows up for the 800 and she doesn't end up running the 1500 at all. Already bookmarked this thread.
"yeah but the link that the op posted doesn't say she is actually running the 800. So you are wrong. there's no debating that. prove me wrong. already book marked this thread"
You're one of the posters who hates to see doping raised in every thread. So you decide to raise the issue of doping.
In her case, finishing a race of this length isn't a given.
Since that's the only thing that matters to you: I'm asking you to call an outcome at which you're not going to raise doping allegations.
I did. I considered the possibility she might not cross the finish line - as at Millrose. Furthermore, I haven't raised doping allegations about Mu as she hasn't done anything that yet suggests it to me. If she were to break the 800 wr - as some argue here - that would definitely do it.
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She might be entered, but highly unlikely she actually runs the 1500 since the 800 and 1500 are being run over the same period, i.e. not one after the other.
It's 9:30pm and she's entered in the 1500, but not entered in the 800. If I were a betting man, I'd bet we'll see her on the start line for round 1 of 1500m and dancing in the stands watching the 800 to see who her world teammates will be.
Am I missing something here? Athing's 4:16.06 is from 2021.
All qualifying performances for the Championships must be attained during the following time periods:10,000 meters, 20km Race Walk, & Combined Events: Monday, January 31, 2022 – Sunday, June 25, 2023 All other events: Thursday, June 23, 2022 – Sunday, June 25, 2023
There are now 38 people on the list. All 37 others from what I can tell submitted marks from this year, inside the qualifying window.
Ok, so can someone clarify this: does it matter Mu didn’t submit a valid time within the window? I understand she hasn’t run a 1500 at all within the window, but is an exception possible here?
A lot of people throwing around words assuming “oh, USATF will just make an exception because she’s world champ”. OK, let’s pause real quick here—I don’t care if you’re Kipchoge, Usain Bolt, or Jesus… you don’t operate an entire season’s campaign based on assumptions the governing bodies are going to make exceptions for you! She’s entering the 1500, with an invalid time, assuming USATF will “make an exception” in accepting the time, so they can further make an exception to allow her in a field ahead of faster entries that don’t make the cut because they aren’t “world champ”? I’m sorry, that’s too much. There’s a difference between exceptions and abusing your title as world champion.
I remember hearing some of the stories of other country’s governing bodies doing shady business in picking their teams, thinking: “HA, I’m glad we had a fair system with a set of fair regulations everyone must follow to allow everyone an equal chance.” If this situation is true, it kind of spits in the face of that.
and before someone replies to this saying I’m wrong about my understanding of the rules… literally only 2 people have cited actual rules in this thread. If you believe my understanding is incorrect based on rules, provide me with citations please.
Mu is entered as a field filler. There are going to be 2 heats with 18 per heat. Only 9 athletes have qualified for the women's 1500m so there are going to be 27 field fillers -- athletes who haven't qualified, like Katelyn Tuohy. Mu isn't actually going to run. The 1500 and 800 are being run at the same time, not one before the other. There's no way she's going to jeopardize her best event. The main question is why is her camp trying to present her as a 1500 runner?
Mu is entered as a field filler. There are going to be 2 heats with 18 per heat. Only 9 athletes have qualified for the women's 1500m so there are going to be 27 field fillers -- athletes who haven't qualified, like Katelyn Tuohy. Mu isn't actually going to run. The 1500 and 800 are being run at the same time, not one before the other. There's no way she's going to jeopardize her best event. The main question is why is her camp trying to present her as a 1500 runner?
She has not entered the 800m for USAs, and a bye into worlds in the 800m as world champ. She is not jeopardizing the 800m.
She might be entered, but highly unlikely she actually runs the 1500 since the 800 and 1500 are being run over the same period, i.e. not one after the other.
It's 9:30pm and she's entered in the 1500, but not entered in the 800. If I were a betting man, I'd bet we'll see her on the start line for round 1 of 1500m and dancing in the stands watching the 800 to see who her world teammates will be.
So is a possible reason she’s not entering the 800 so that US gets 4 entrants instead of 3? Like as champion she’s not part of the 3-per-country rule? Or is it 3 even including champions, so only top 2 at USATF will be on the team with her?
Mu is entered as a field filler. There are going to be 2 heats with 18 per heat. Only 9 athletes have qualified for the women's 1500m so there are going to be 27 field fillers -- athletes who haven't qualified, like Katelyn Tuohy. Mu isn't actually going to run. The 1500 and 800 are being run at the same time, not one before the other. There's no way she's going to jeopardize her best event. The main question is why is her camp trying to present her as a 1500 runner?
How many times do you have to be informed that Mu is not running the 800m at the USATF championship?
Am I missing something here? Athing's 4:16.06 is from 2021.
All qualifying performances for the Championships must be attained during the following time periods:10,000 meters, 20km Race Walk, & Combined Events: Monday, January 31, 2022 – Sunday, June 25, 2023 All other events: Thursday, June 23, 2022 – Sunday, June 25, 2023
There are now 38 people on the list. All 37 others from what I can tell submitted marks from this year, inside the qualifying window.
Ok, so can someone clarify this: does it matter Mu didn’t submit a valid time within the window? I understand she hasn’t run a 1500 at all within the window, but is an exception possible here?
A lot of people throwing around words assuming “oh, USATF will just make an exception because she’s world champ”. OK, let’s pause real quick here—I don’t care if you’re Kipchoge, Usain Bolt, or Jesus… you don’t operate an entire season’s campaign based on assumptions the governing bodies are going to make exceptions for you! She’s entering the 1500, with an invalid time, assuming USATF will “make an exception” in accepting the time, so they can further make an exception to allow her in a field ahead of faster entries that don’t make the cut because they aren’t “world champ”? I’m sorry, that’s too much. There’s a difference between exceptions and abusing your title as world champion.
I remember hearing some of the stories of other country’s governing bodies doing shady business in picking their teams, thinking: “HA, I’m glad we had a fair system with a set of fair regulations everyone must follow to allow everyone an equal chance.” If this situation is true, it kind of spits in the face of that.
and before someone replies to this saying I’m wrong about my understanding of the rules… literally only 2 people have cited actual rules in this thread. If you believe my understanding is incorrect based on rules, provide me with citations please.
Current world champions are allowed by USATF to enter another event at USA's if they want. The rule doesn't seem to be posted on USATF's website. But that's how it's done even if it can't be found on their website in writing.
Yes, it's strange that they don't post that rule on their site, but no one ever accused USATF of being the most organized organization.
So is a possible reason she’s not entering the 800 so that US gets 4 entrants instead of 3? Like as champion she’s not part of the 3-per-country rule? Or is it 3 even including champions, so only top 2 at USATF will be on the team with her?
It doesn’t matter if she enters the final at US champs, the US will send her and three others. For example, last year at the 200m the top 4 finishers were Lyles, Knighton, Kerley, and Bednarek; all four still went to worlds cause Lyles was reigning champ. On the other hand, the 100m final’s top finishers were Kerley, Bracy-Williams, and Bromell; all three went and, because Coleman was reigning champ, he also went.
It's 9:30pm and she's entered in the 1500, but not entered in the 800. If I were a betting man, I'd bet we'll see her on the start line for round 1 of 1500m and dancing in the stands watching the 800 to see who her world teammates will be.
So is a possible reason she’s not entering the 800 so that US gets 4 entrants instead of 3? Like as champion she’s not part of the 3-per-country rule? Or is it 3 even including champions, so only top 2 at USATF will be on the team with her?
Athing Mu PLUS the top 3 from the USA Championships will be the 4 women on the 800 team.
Athing Mu running, or not running, the 800 at the USA Championships does not change the fact that the USA gets a total of 4 entrants in the 800 for the World Championships.
The 1500 and 800 are being run at the same time, not one before the other. There's no way she's going to jeopardize her best event.
You seriously need to learn to pay attention. You already wrote the same incorrect information earlier today and were told that Athing Mu is NOT entered in the 800. Period. End of story.
Check the entrants in the women's 800 on the USATF site if you don't believe us.
And as has been stated a dozen times already, Athing Mu has ALREADY qualified for the World Championships in the 800 because the defending champion automatically gets in.
It's 9:30pm and she's entered in the 1500, but not entered in the 800. If I were a betting man, I'd bet we'll see her on the start line for round 1 of 1500m and dancing in the stands watching the 800 to see who her world teammates will be.
So is a possible reason she’s not entering the 800 so that US gets 4 entrants instead of 3? Like as champion she’s not part of the 3-per-country rule? Or is it 3 even including champions, so only top 2 at USATF will be on the team with her?
Even if she runs the 800 and wins, the next 3 still go. She has a bye. She can’t take a spot from someone else. We are sending 4 women on the 800m.
Since that's the only thing that matters to you: I'm asking you to call an outcome at which you're not going to raise doping allegations.
Furthermore, I haven't raised doping allegations about Mu as she hasn't done anything that yet suggests it to me.
Armstrong in another thread:
"From the few athletes who have run sub-1:55 (like Jelimo) I would reckon that is also clearly doped territory as well."
1:55.04 at age 19 doesn't suggest doping to him, sub 1:55 (1:54.99?) does. So, where does this clearly doped territory start: 1:55.03 or 1:55.02 or 1:55.01 or 1:55.00?
1:54.44 from Quirot at age 26 (or 1:54.94 from Kazankina at age 24) must be doped, but 1:55.04 from Mu at age 19 not necessary.
This summarizes his contribution to this forum quite well I think.