Haha the same thing used to happen by a troll account “CrossFitGuy” or something like that that. Would post about the great benefits from cross fit how runners are weak and skinny fat but would forget to change the name when making serious post in race day threads.
It was too funny when Renato engaged with him in discussion
I think ventolin saw himself as Renato's equal
He once argued with Nick Willis about Nick's 400 speed. Then Nick ran a TT (reported here by a coach) and ventolin was right.
this is a good one.
ventolin expertise was not in the same category as Renato, vern wasn't a coach, or much of an athlete, so there was a reality gap.
Vent analyzed races, wasn't even a proper mathematician, but had a practical interpoltion curve fit for actual performance, which is one of the better ones out there, and maybe the best.
the mo farah calc of 328 was a good one.
people need to realize almost no athlete produces a perfect run at peak.
and that proper speculation / science is more close to the truth than the facts.
and ryun set the WR on the 800 at age 19, 144.3.. cinders, suboptimal pace, etc. etc.
and no one peaks at age 19, it is age 22 minimum.
hence the speculation about ryun.
at the end of the day, the interval training that allowed ryun to come to boil and achieve what he did, was the down fall, and damaged him badly in the long run.
He once argued with Nick Willis about Nick's 400 speed. Then Nick ran a TT (reported here by a coach) and ventolin was right.
this is a good one.
ventolin expertise was not in the same category as Renato, vern wasn't a coach, or much of an athlete, so there was a reality gap.
Vent analyzed races, wasn't even a proper mathematician, but had a practical interpoltion curve fit for actual performance, which is one of the better ones out there, and maybe the best.
the mo farah calc of 328 was a good one.
people need to realize almost no athlete produces a perfect run at peak.
and that proper speculation / science is more close to the truth than the facts.
and ryun set the WR on the 800 at age 19, 144.3.. cinders, suboptimal pace, etc. etc.
and no one peaks at age 19, it is age 22 minimum.
hence the speculation about ryun.
at the end of the day, the interval training that allowed ryun to come to boil and achieve what he did, was the down fall, and damaged him badly in the long run.
He was a weird dude. I remember he used to troll under different usernames. Sometimes he'd forget to switch accounts so he'd write his ventolin posts with calculations under a name like someonehadtosayit.
That's the beauty of ventolin: he had these moments of next level visionary ability. Mo's 3:28 was a great example. I bet Alberto, Mo, and ventolin were the only 3 people who saw it coming.
But for every one of those, there's 10 examples of utter insanity. The Jim Ryun speculation was top of the pile for me. He would talked about "chewed up cinder tracks" "wabbit to the bell" "line of fit" and that final 300m in that one race and postulate Ryun could have run low 3:20s for 1500.
He was a weird dude. I remember he used to troll under different usernames. Sometimes he'd forget to switch accounts so he'd write his ventolin posts with calculations under a name like someonehadtosayit.
That was me!! LOL!
The username was "someone had to do it". I was about to post in this thread confessing that I had for years posted under a name mimicking ventolin's writing style: mainly using "idiot, moron, imbecile" a lot and writing about runners' best intrinsic times like Ryun could run 3'24 and 1'39 in the summer of '67. Notice 3'24 as opposed to 3:24, which was ventolin's style.
But I couldn't remember the name I used to post under until reading your post lol. It amazes me you remembered my old posts. I made those back when I used to spend waaaaay too much time on the forum here. Made a few mimicking him on the old tracktalk.net forum too after Mo's 3'28 in 2013, and I had people there convinced I was him. This was back when I was living in Colorado so if Rojo wants to IP check the posts from that username like 10 years ago he will be able to confirm it was not in fact ventolin, who I believe lived in London.
The funny thing over the years was reading people accuse ventolin of posting under sock puppet accounts, him responding "I only post under this name" and people replying "yeah right, it's so obvious". Guess I did a good job in imitating him hahaha.
ventolin expertise was not in the same category as Renato, vern wasn't a coach, or much of an athlete, so there was a reality gap.
Vent analyzed races, wasn't even a proper mathematician, but had a practical interpoltion curve fit for actual performance, which is one of the better ones out there, and maybe the best.
the mo farah calc of 328 was a good one.
people need to realize almost no athlete produces a perfect run at peak.
and that proper speculation / science is more close to the truth than the facts.
and ryun set the WR on the 800 at age 19, 144.3.. cinders, suboptimal pace, etc. etc.
and no one peaks at age 19, it is age 22 minimum.
hence the speculation about ryun.
at the end of the day, the interval training that allowed ryun to come to boil and achieve what he did, was the down fall, and damaged him badly in the long run.
I recall that I once was able to supply some footage of the 1967 Ryun/Keino L.A. 1500m race that he hadn't see before, and he was appreciative because he was obsessed with that race.
Didn't find that thread in particular, but did come across this one in which he (or, at least, someone posting as ventolin) claims that his father was Keino's "immediate boss" as a policeman in Kenya.
"let me add new flavor to story kip worked for police force & my pa was his immediate boss kip was given little time off prior to '68 - he was holding down a job & had to work most of the day - chasing cattle-rustlers he was given a coupla off/day to train during 9 - 5, but other training was on his own time ryun, on other hand was more or less full-time athlete ( albeit at college ) kip, however, did get a big advantage to ryun prior to '68 years to help him train : my pa was told by hq to provide kip with a coupla chickens/week as govt contribution all this got kip good enough to break the 3k/5k WRs - former lasting 7y in '68, govt told pa to let kip off more police work & train nearer full-time ( but not completely before training camp ) & throw in an extra chicken/week after '68, he was back to full-time police work until '72"
This link doesn't come close to showing ALL the races he competed in. He travelled world wide for multiple years/year round.
How could he be full time policeman with so much time off for racing? No, Keino was Kenya's most visible ambassador.
Again, link doesn't come close to showing all his races.
How say u?
It was a different era. Ron Clarke set world records (including breaking Keino's 5000m), trained three times a day and raced constantly. And Clarke's New York Times obit will tell you that he did all this while working full time as a corporate accountant.
ventolin said that Kip Keino was the greatest talent Kenya ever produced and, all things considered, I consider that a defensible statement.
This link doesn't come close to showing ALL the races he competed in. He travelled world wide for multiple years/year round.
How could he be full time policeman with so much time off for racing? No, Keino was Kenya's most visible ambassador.
Again, link doesn't come close to showing all his races.
How say u?
It was a different era. Ron Clarke set world records (including breaking Keino's 5000m), trained three times a day and raced constantly. And Clarke's New York Times obit will tell you that he did all this while working full time as a corporate accountant.
ventolin said that Kip Keino was the greatest talent Kenya ever produced and, all things considered, I consider that a defensible statement.
Both Clarkey and Keino had liberal bosses. No way they could race worldwide as much as they did on 2 weeks paid vacation.
Keino = phenomenal talent, tho Jipcho was twice ordered to work for Kip (Mexico City and Munich).
I recall that I once was able to supply some footage of the 1967 Ryun/Keino L.A. 1500m race that he hadn't see before, and he was appreciative because he was obsessed with that race.
Didn't find that thread in particular, but did come across this one in which he (or, at least, someone posting as ventolin) claims that his father was Keino's "immediate boss" as a policeman in Kenya.
"let me add new flavor to story kip worked for police force & my pa was his immediate boss kip was given little time off prior to '68 - he was holding down a job & had to work most of the day - chasing cattle-rustlers he was given a coupla off/day to train during 9 - 5, but other training was on his own time ryun, on other hand was more or less full-time athlete ( albeit at college ) kip, however, did get a big advantage to ryun prior to '68 years to help him train : my pa was told by hq to provide kip with a coupla chickens/week as govt contribution all this got kip good enough to break the 3k/5k WRs - former lasting 7y in '68, govt told pa to let kip off more police work & train nearer full-time ( but not completely before training camp ) & throw in an extra chicken/week after '68, he was back to full-time police work until '72"
This link doesn't come close to showing ALL the races he competed in. He travelled world wide for multiple years/year round.
How could he be full time policeman with so much time off for racing? No, Keino was Kenya's most visible ambassador.
Again, link doesn't come close to showing all his races.
How say u?
Just like Rudisha was a 'policeman' and never did a single day's work, so was Keino. It was a way of getting around the rules against professionalism. It meant that the East Africans in the 60's and 70's were just about the only full-time runners. That's why in the 1970's and 80's, the loudest opposition to allowing appearance money and prize money came from the Kenyans - they didn't want to lose their advantage.
This link doesn't come close to showing ALL the races he competed in. He travelled world wide for multiple years/year round.
How could he be full time policeman with so much time off for racing? No, Keino was Kenya's most visible ambassador.
Again, link doesn't come close to showing all his races.
How say u?
Just like Rudisha was a 'policeman' and never did a single day's work, so was Keino. It was a way of getting around the rules against professionalism. It meant that the East Africans in the 60's and 70's were just about the only full-time runners. That's why in the 1970's and 80's, the loudest opposition to allowing appearance money and prize money came from the Kenyans - they didn't want to lose their advantage.
viren was a policeman, snell "worked" for a cigarette company, walker worked for a radio station. give it a break. everybody with less than half a brain "worked"
Regardless of whether or not the new of his demise is true, one of my favorite posts was him railing on Coe's 800 WR for having been run on a "Mickey Mouse track" and just then just destroying anyone who claimed it was a legit meet/facility.
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