Ok, ph**wit, if you still insist that Russian athletes must be counted because they are tested and yet Kenyans account for 40% of positives the Russians do not match that. If they did it would leave the entire rest of the world on less than 20%. They aren't. It also makes Kenyan doping look even worse. You are unbelievably thick. It makes Coe's claim absurd. There was no nation identified by WA as incurring more positives in running than Kenya in 2022.
Coe doesn't speak for the "entire rest of the world". That's why I'm waiting for WADA to include that data.
Ok, ph**wit, if you still insist that Russian athletes must be counted because they are tested and yet Kenyans account for 40% of positives the Russians do not match that. If they did it would leave the entire rest of the world on less than 20%. They aren't. It also makes Kenyan doping look even worse. You are unbelievably thick. It makes Coe's claim absurd. There was no nation identified by WA as incurring more positives in running than Kenya in 2022.
Coe doesn't speak for the "entire rest of the world". That's why I'm waiting for WADA to include that data.
It is you making Coe's claim absurd.
He is not speaking "for" anyone, you moron. But he made it clear that Kenya's 40% of positives was of the total positives in the sport that year.
He is not speaking "for" anyone, you moron. But he made it clear that Kenya's 40% of positives was of the total positives in the sport that year.
He speaks for World Athletics. That's why I'm waiting for WADA to include the missing data.
Well here on letsrun, we typically focus on sports that belong to World Athletics, not rugby or weightlifting and whatnot. But nice distraction for sure.
He speaks for World Athletics. That's why I'm waiting for WADA to include the missing data.
No one except the Kenyan doping denier that you are has spoken of "missing data".
On the contrary -- the AIU themselves openly speak about "missing data":
"The figures below only reflect the testing activities carried out by the AIU. The AIU’s testing is focused on elite top-end athletes and is designed to be specific, targeted and intelligence-led. The other levels of athletes are covered through the efforts of the National and Regional Anti Doping Organisations (NADOs and RADOs), and that data is collated and published separately by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)."
There is no reason to think that 2022 will suddenly be radically different than previous years, as far back as 2016, when the AIU first started increasing target testing of Kenyans.
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He speaks for World Athletics. That's why I'm waiting for WADA to include the missing data.
Well here on letsrun, we typically focus on sports that belong to World Athletics, not rugby or weightlifting and whatnot. But nice distraction for sure.
You misunderstand -- I am not talking about "rugby or weightlifting and whatnot" either, but about the sport of athletics. "World Athletics" only performs about 15-17% of testing in athletics. The AIU explains that they focus on Category A countries that perform, while letting NADOs and RADOs do the bulk of testing for the remaining Category B and C countries.
No one except the Kenyan doping denier that you are has spoken of "missing data".
On the contrary -- the AIU themselves openly speak about "missing data":
"The figures below only reflect the testing activities carried out by the AIU. The AIU’s testing is focused on elite top-end athletes and is designed to be specific, targeted and intelligence-led. The other levels of athletes are covered through the efforts of the National and Regional Anti Doping Organisations (NADOs and RADOs), and that data is collated and published separately by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)."
There is no reason to think that 2022 will suddenly be radically different than previous years, as far back as 2016, when the AIU first started increasing target testing of Kenyans.
So only top-end athletes are being included, not local club and recreational athletes? So how many Kenyan hobby-joggers are being busted? You are the master of the ludicrous deflection.
Well here on letsrun, we typically focus on sports that belong to World Athletics, not rugby or weightlifting and whatnot. But nice distraction for sure.
You misunderstand -- I am not talking about "rugby or weightlifting and whatnot" either, but about the sport of athletics. "World Athletics" only performs about 15-17% of testing in athletics. The AIU explains that they focus on Category A countries that perform, while letting NADOs and RADOs do the bulk of testing for the remaining Category B and C countries.
So Coe isn't talking about "40% of the total doping positives in the sport". According to you he is only talking about 6-8%. What a relief. We thought Kenyans had a serious doping problem. Quite surprisingly, however, no one in the sport has picked this up, including the Kenyans. You are a complete dickhead.
So only top-end athletes are being included, not local club and recreational athletes? So how many Kenyan hobby-joggers are being busted? You are the master of the ludicrous deflection.
I can only conclude from your complete abandonment of your previous point (always the same pattern -- you never stand behind your own points once debunked), that you are unwillingly and reluctantly forced to concede that in fact, you were demonstrated to be wrong, because clearly someone besides me "has spoken of "missing data"" -- namely the AIU itself.
This remains true regardless of whether you are willing to admit you were wrong, again.
It's unsurprising you genuinely don't understand what the AIU has published, lacking the necessary context. The AIU elaborates its priorities in its Rule 15. Under that rule, for 2023, there are currently 7 Category A countries, 54 Category B countries, and 152 Category C countries. The AIU prioritizes testing of Category A, then B, then C. This is meant to complement the testing of NADOs and RADOs who understandably prioritize testing for their nations and regions.
This means that the AIU does not test many national and international class athletes either, relying on the NADOs and RADOs to do that.
So only top-end athletes are being included, not local club and recreational athletes? So how many Kenyan hobby-joggers are being busted? You are the master of the ludicrous deflection.
I can only conclude from your complete abandonment of your previous point (always the same pattern -- you never stand behind your own points once debunked), that you are unwillingly and reluctantly forced to concede that in fact, you were demonstrated to be wrong, because clearly someone besides me "has spoken of "missing data"" -- namely the AIU itself.
This remains true regardless of whether you are willing to admit you were wrong, again.
It's unsurprising you genuinely don't understand what the AIU has published, lacking the necessary context. The AIU elaborates its priorities in its Rule 15. Under that rule, for 2023, there are currently 7 Category A countries, 54 Category B countries, and 152 Category C countries. The AIU prioritizes testing of Category A, then B, then C. This is meant to complement the testing of NADOs and RADOs who understandably prioritize testing for their nations and regions.
This means that the AIU does not test many national and international class athletes either, relying on the NADOs and RADOs to do that.
No one has said in respect of Coe's claim that there is "missing data". It would make a fool of him and nonsense of his data. Also, the data that might apply to merely recreational athletes is completely irrelevant in the context of Kenyan doping, which is of serious elite and championship competitors. But if there is other data - so what? The proportions of doping offenders like Kenya are likely to remain the same. There are no "hidden dopers" out there waiting to be revealed by other organizations. Your arguments are always rubbish.
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So Coe isn't talking about "40% of the total doping positives in the sport". According to you he is only talking about 6-8%. What a relief. We thought Kenyans had a serious doping problem. Quite surprisingly, however, no one in the sport has picked this up, including the Kenyans. You are a complete dickhead.
No need for childish name calling just for pointing out that you are misguided and uninformed. As we have recently learned, even Coe called you misguided.
Of course Lord Coe is the President of World Athletics, so the default presumption should be he only speaks for World Athletics and AIU testing. It would be highly unusual and gullible to claim or believe otherwise. Note also that, in a verbal press conference, Coe does not provide the full context, nor has he published the data, behind his "40%", so it would be presumptuous to claim that for 2022, it must mean something significantly different than in previous years, absent any such reason, explanation, or justification, for such a departure.
The reason Coe doesn't publish the data for the entire world is because it takes time to collate all this data, and perform any consistency checks, and then publish it. That is something WADA does every year, and something the AIU says WADA will do later. WADA published the 2021 in January 2023. It would be naïve and gullible to believe that Coe would have complete and accurate data for the entire sport for 2022 at the end of November 2022, while WADA will need another year to publish the collated data.
No one has said in respect of Coe's claim that there is "missing data". It would make a fool of him and nonsense of his data. Also, the data that might apply to merely recreational athletes is completely irrelevant in the context of Kenyan doping, which is of serious elite and championship competitors. But if there is other data - so what? The proportions of doping offenders like Kenya are likely to remain the same. There are no "hidden dopers" out there waiting to be revealed by other organizations. Your arguments are always rubbish.
These are not my arguments as such, but what actually happened in previous years, as far back as 2017, when the AIU increased their testing of Kenya.
You are the fool making nonsense of his 40% claim (note: he didn't provide any data to support this claim).
No one "in the sport", not even the AIU, has confirmed that Coe's claim was based on complete "world" data from the sport of athletics. In fact the AIU says otherwise in its annual testing reports. Coe is not the fool, as his data is reasonably credible for World Athletics, reflecting their priority of testing, and explicitly stated bias towards testing distance running and East Africans.
The fool is the one who believes and insists, without basis or justification, that 2022 will be different than previous years, and that Coe could already know the "world" testing results before WADA publishes its report, and even before the year in question has ended.
The smart person will wait until WADA publishes 2022 data before making a claim of percentage of "world" doping positives for 2022.
What you are refusing to understand is that, contrary to what you wish to believe, the AIU tells us that they don't test other nations as much. If 2022 is like previous years, the proportions will be very different once WADA counts and includes positive test results from NADOs from countries that the AIU doesn't test.
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