He had the fastest time of the meet over Teare, Wynne, Prakel, and other top 10 American milers. I’d say that’s a good outing! Winning matters.
Beamish won the second heat set up perfectly for college guys and never lead a step until .5 meters to go. Had he actually had the courage to race Teare and Wynne in the first heat, he may not have won. But we'll never know because racing doesn't matter anymore.
OMG? Really? Is that your take..or others'? Who cares, this is not some Golden League event or WC, it was a TT meant to set up PRs..it did for many..not some others.
To say OAC first again, well they're usually first in January and Feb, but then they slowly start to fade, so that doesn't say much. I'm sure the OAC mob will jump all over this.
Never mind the first part of your post (which is whack), what is the basis for this claim? Klecker was injured last winter and then won the US 10k and ran a couple strong 5ks outdoors. Hoare ran 3:30.12 to win the CG in August and another 3:30 for 3rd in the DL final in September. Monson was consistent throughout the year and ran the best race of her life to date on August 26 in Lausanne. Hurta-Klecker ran 2:02/4:25 indoors last year and then ran 1:57 in August and was 3rd in the DL final, which few would have predicted a year ago. Morgan McDonald had no indoor season and ran 7:39 in his last track race of the season in early September. Beamish ran better indoors than outdoors, but it seems that dates back to his days at NAU (indoor mile champion).
All in all it seems like your perspective is skewed by biases, bitterness or resentment.
Did any of you actually watch the race? The pacer did a fine job, 56-low then 57-high for the first two quarters. That’s perfect pacing for a 3:46 attempt. The problem was that when he dropped, Ratcliffe was cooked and they ran a 30-31 from 800-1k. Ratcliffe being out in front like that is really what screwed up the race. Teare also clearly was not ready to run a world record, I’m not sure why it was ever billed as that, but it was stupid.
You have it quite wrong. Pacers’ splits were: 28.61 for 209 ~which is worth like a 27.2/27.36/28.97/29.73. He basically set up Teare for 55.7/58.9. No wonder he ran the last 440 in around 58 even with a slow third quarter of the race.
Boler from Delbarton in NJ, ran 4:04.x..his previous best was 4:09.15? I never wanted to say this, and your PR is your PR..but BU is 1.5-2 seconds fast at the mile for almost everyone. There are just way too many examples of guys never running within 2-3 seconds of the BU mark..ever..not in or out or 1500M converted from. There are plenty of examples of guys who have run their BU mark elsewhere or even multiple times..there are way, way more guys who have nothing like it in their portfolio. The shoes are the shoes..everyone wears them now..BU though..is BU alone LOL.
Eric Holt PR'ed by 3 seconds..it seems he runs every Indoor mile available..LOL, so quite a big sample size over 2 years or so?
Oh I agree. Seems like Andy Powell's guys wanted to stick together. But if you want best v best, you'd have a mix of the athletes from heat 1 and heat 2.
More likely that Schumacher demanded a less competitive heat for Teare so the focus could be on time without any pesky competitors getting in the paceline and potentially beating him.
Did any of you actually watch the race? The pacer did a fine job, 56-low then 57-high for the first two quarters. That’s perfect pacing for a 3:46 attempt. The problem was that when he dropped, Ratcliffe was cooked and they ran a 30-31 from 800-1k. Ratcliffe being out in front like that is really what screwed up the race. Teare also clearly was not ready to run a world record, I’m not sure why it was ever billed as that, but it was stupid.
You have it quite wrong. Pacers’ splits were: 28.61 for 209 ~which is worth like a 27.2/27.36/28.97/29.73. He basically set up Teare for 55.7/58.9. No wonder he ran the last 440 in around 58 even with a slow third quarter of the race.
With all due respect..really like your commentaries lately...you do not have to have this garden trip..perfect pacing to PR, you just do not, and if you do not like it..get up on these pacers closer and bark at them once...most guys are NOT right up on them..so you cannot constantly point to pacing..just saying. Run the race..close faster
With all due respect..really like your commentaries lately...you do not have to have this garden trip..perfect pacing to PR, you just do not, and if you do not like it..get up on these pacers closer and bark at them once...most guys are NOT right up on them..so you cannot constantly point to pacing..just saying. Run the race..close faster
There is one cardinal sin in running a mile and it is going out over your head the first 440. Fast first 200 OK, settle in. Teare simply ran over his head the first 440. Wynne who is not as good a runner didn’t and beat him and ran near his maximal time.
Beamish won the second heat set up perfectly for college guys and never lead a step until .5 meters to go. Had he actually had the courage to race Teare and Wynne in the first heat, he may not have won. But we'll never know because racing doesn't matter anymore.
Pre's dead. Get over it. Enjoy your sophomore year of high school.
With all due respect..really like your commentaries lately...you do not have to have this garden trip..perfect pacing to PR, you just do not, and if you do not like it..get up on these pacers closer and bark at them once...most guys are NOT right up on them..so you cannot constantly point to pacing..just saying. Run the race..close faster
There is one cardinal sin in running a mile and it is going out over your head the first 440. Fast first 200 OK, settle in. Teare simply ran over his head the first 440. Wynne who is not as good a runner didn’t and beat him and ran near his maximal time.
That may be true..But Teare at 56.62 almost 57 seconds..slowing in the second 220 is hardly out over his head...sorry,,he was only out in almost 28 seconds..he had no pop..it was not from being out over his head..that is simply not correct for a runner at that level..he had backed off to 29.x + in second 220. plenty of slow down to catch your breath so to speak. Races or efforts..are not always dead even split to the optimal level halfway or even earlier or later..adjusting to 29+ was plenty easy enough ..he just got beat. Get past it. and so far Teare is not this world beater anyway. I never thought he was running 3:50 even.
Yes, the talk of beating US and possibly WR was quite absurd. These were fine results for Feb. 3:47 for this field wasn't realistic at any time. I don't think anyone in that field had ever broken 3:50, so why would the WR be in jeopardy? If they had come close, I'd say I was wrong, but I just don't see it.
Yes, the talk of beating US and possibly WR was quite absurd. These were fine results for Feb. 3:47 for this field wasn't realistic at any time. I don't think anyone in that field had ever broken 3:50, so why would the WR be in jeopardy? If they had come close, I'd say I was wrong, but I just don't see it.
That was all just hype and some wishful thinking about BU turning guys in 3:51-2 shape at best into world record holders. Anyway, it was over after 400 m. A second or so slow on the first 440, no problem. A second or two fast, forget about it. Amazing how in the blink of an eye it goes from a record attempt to losing the race and not getting close to your pr. At least for once, BU couldn’t bail out the athletes.
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56.62 is his 409 split. That puts his first quarter at 55.7 or so and his first 400 at 55.4 or 55.3. Not what you want .
Clearly too fast for his current fitness and not ideal for a AR/WR attempt either. Probably should have been a second slower at 400. That said, he was a lot more impressive last year running 3:50 with a 1:52 last 800.
I think people make way too many excuses for guys not running their fastest ever..off fractional mistakes..adjust..carry on.. this "hothouse flower" environment they live in as it is..is certainly runner friendly enough..every race is a set up..tracks are fast ..comp is plentiful..live with the rest of the " tough tough" factors..LOL..there are none!!
Holt has run marginally faster than this outdoors at 1500M..3:35.80..once
He has run 8 miles in past 3 years indoors..this is that fastest by 3 seconds.. You are telling me, this track is worth 1 second? Don't go by what guys run in or on any given day like today..even 3 UW guys PR'ed some by over 2 secs..
Boler a NJ HS'er ran 4:09.15 at the Armory a couple weeks ago..he ran 4:04.x today at BU , just another example, he is not a 1:51 or sub 9 minute yards guy..I don't think
Go back to the day of 52..I guarantee..25 of them ran faster by more than 2 seconds faster than they ever had.
I am telling you .. I think there are way more examples of guys who have never run within 2 secs of what they have at BU..than not
That seems a little fast for a 10k of mainly US women. Surely they'd only ask for that pace if someone was going for sub-30, which would be very optimistic
Cranny ran ~30:13 at the same event previously, so there's no reason to think sub-30 is off the table, given the way Alicia Monsoon has been running this year.
Her PB is 30:51, she isn't dropping 52 seconds in a year no matter how good a year she's having. I'm very skeptical that Andrews can pace at 15 minutes. That's basically a race effort for her (PB is 14:51), and she's being asked to go 6k. I'm almost certain this will be paced for 30:40, so 15:20 for Andrews
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