But Cain's PRs are much better than Tuohy's you troll.
But Cain's PRs are much better than Tuohy's you troll.
Apparently they will both be in the Millrose 3000m. Tuohy will get a qualifying time in a fast race.
Cool story bro, stay tuned…
astro wrote:
The sport is what it is. Between being appropriately cynical and realistic on the one hand and being hopelessly naive on the other, I will go with the former. The refusal to admit the problem has killed the sport. The see no evil approach just does not work. You literally cannot admit reality, so you think this is not an absurd and invidious comparison. You actually think Koko ran 14:20 clean and that it was natural ability? Come off it.
Come to think of it, when is that last time a top European distance runner was caught? Are they even trying anymore? You talk about suspecting everything. Let's play that game. How about another top female runner, Nadia Battocletti. I remember that name from when Chmiel beat her at the Great Edinburgh race in 2018. Anyway she was a solid junior runner when suddenly in 2021, just in time for the Olympics, her 5000m dramatically dropped from the 15:40 to sub 15 in a matter of months and she got 7th in the Olympic final. Such a radical pr drop would be suspicious by itself, but then you find out that she is coached by her father, who was banned for doping (nandrolone) in 1999 right after winning the European cross country championship. Not to mention the prevalence of doping in Italian athletics (Lamont Jacobs anyone?).
So if I ask a question about that, despite it being so obvious, is that "questioning everything", being cynical, being incredulous, or is that cold, plain reality? The fact that no one did says it all.
The pro game is what it is. As long as it stays in its own lane, fine. I still follow cycling, albeit with eyes wide open. But don't compare a college athlete to this circus.
You’re just the American version of Coevett. Everyone is doping except for the Americans. Everyone in the NCAA is clean except for the one person who’s a threat to your favorite athlete.
You are an embarrassment.
Sure.
astro wrote:
Apparently they will both be in the Millrose 3000m. Tuohy will get a qualifying time in a fast race.
Anytime Koko is in a race it's PR city. When Koko raced the Millrose Mile, Elle Purrier set the AR. When Koko ran 14:30 at the BU 5k, Vanessa Fraser ran 14:48. This will be a great opportunity for Katelyn to smash her 3k PR!
Also for the record, Koko was already world class before she was ever associated with Pete Julian etc. She is a really sweet girl and loves the grind of this sport. I think it's uncalled for to make baseless doping claims. I'm American and became a huge fan after seeing her crush it in the Euro XC champs back to back in 2015/2016. I think it's really cool that her English has improved a lot, she's obviously very intelligent. People have been assuming her downfall (like every other phenom girl, Tuohy can relate) especially because of her size, and yet she's still out there kicking butt and running well.
I think it would be awesome if Tuohy continues to progress like Koko has and that they can have an exciting head to head in a couple years, but I agree that it's way too soon to be comparing them. I would expect if both are healthy right now, that Koko would be in a completely different league, but that doesn't take anything away from how impressive Tuohy has been as a collegiate runner.
It would be a shame if her English (she must have learned it for at least 7 years or more in school) would not have improved in 4 years living half of the year or more in the US. ;)
I wonder if Klosterhalfen opted for the 3000m on her own (because she realizes she will not be as good anymore/yet? in the mile) or if they had to convince her. It feels a bit like the B event compared to the Mile at Millrose although Monson ran better last year than anyone in the women's mile.
Probably going for a record.
That is all well and good but not acknowledging the overwhelming reality and pretend everything is some magical "natural ability", historical metrics be damned, is grossly unfair to clean athletes. Saying that a female runner that can run 14:20 is very likely doping is hardly going out on a limb. And the idea that distance running uniquely from other endurance sports is somehow exempt from rampant doping is absurd. I'm sure most top pros are perfectly decent people, but that does not change the competitive reality. Again this is a thread comparing a college athlete to a full fledged pro athlete where the competitive realities and incentives are completely different, where people are obstinately pretending it is not comparing apples and oranges. It is as silly as comparing Tuohy to the BTC crew. That requires a state of utter denial. Sorry that offends people, but invidiously comparing a college runner to pros in a doping infested pro sport is ridiculous. That is as dumb as the blather about the magic East African running gene despite an avalanche of doping positives.
Anyway, hoping to see a fast race.
Pros gets tested frequently. College runners get tested infrequently. High School runners never get tested. Tuohy is way more suspicious than Koko.
You need to lay off the coco!