What you're calling leftist "radicalization" is what is known in history as the modern "rights revolution", which dates to at least to the Enlightenment, and is responsible in part for the birth of the country in which you live.
Individual freedom, bodily autonomy, etc. are inevitable outcomes of this logic; they don't need to be "promoted" or "espoused" by political parties; they just happen, when individuals are treated equally and fairly. Trying to oppose or roll them back is, in any modern context, the radical (though not progressive) move. And that way lies a conflict which will end with the common ruin of the contending parties, or else victory in for the march of individual rights. There is no history for conservative reaction. It must fail, or else society as we know it will fail.
I don’t see transgenderism, gay marriage, abortion at will, transition surgeries for minors, etc to be an inevitable advancement of progress human liberty. I think individual rights are gifts from God. The things we are obsessed about today are just childish bleating to get what we want, right now. We want to fill a hole inside us that politics can’t fill. That’s nothing g to do with liberty, and everything to do with license.
The part about minors getting transition surgeries is just hysterical nonsense, and I think you probably know it.
As for gay marriage and abortion, they don't represent freedom for you because you don't happen to need them. But for the others who do, they represent some very basic individual freedoms, and are necessary for their full self-actualization, in just the way that the emancipation of former slaves and the extension of voting rights to women represented forms of very basic freedom for those groups. And I could add, just in the way that freedom from British Imperial prerogatives was essential for the liberty of individual American settlers, even though some settlers opposed this freedom and wanted to remain loyal to the British crown.
As an aside, you know social/religious conservatives are losing the argument about rights expansion when they resort to talk about "protecting the innocent"-- children and fetuses, eliding basic freedoms that individuals enjoy in many of the world's societies with child abuse and murder. No one ACTUALLY believes this. It's all about conservatives giving themselves permission to go after basic individual freedoms they just don't like.
Why don't you people just be happy that you have the freedom to live and practice your faith in peace, the way other religious groups do? Why do you believe tenets of your faith should be enshrined in law and backed by state power? And how do you imagine you're going to make this happen without massive resistance and discord of epic proportions? Look at what other theocratic regimes in the world have had to do to survive. No one but a complete fanatic thrives in that environment. And if it were ever even partially successful in the US, Americans would eventually rebel against it in ways that would make Iran today and the Arab spring of few years ago look like a picnic.
I don’t see transgenderism, gay marriage, abortion at will, transition surgeries for minors, etc to be an inevitable advancement of progress human liberty. I think individual rights are gifts from God. The things we are obsessed about today are just childish bleating to get what we want, right now. We want to fill a hole inside us that politics can’t fill. That’s nothing g to do with liberty, and everything to do with license.
The part about minors getting transition surgeries is just hysterical nonsense, and I think you probably know it.
As for gay marriage and abortion, they don't represent freedom for you because you don't happen to need them. But for the others who do, they represent some very basic individual freedoms, and are necessary for their full self-actualization, in just the way that the emancipation of former slaves and the extension of voting rights to women represented forms of very basic freedom for those groups. And I could add, just in the way that freedom from British Imperial prerogatives was essential for the liberty of individual American settlers, even though some settlers opposed this freedom and wanted to remain loyal to the British crown.
As an aside, you know social/religious conservatives are losing the argument about rights expansion when they resort to talk about "protecting the innocent"-- children and fetuses, eliding basic freedoms that individuals enjoy in many of the world's societies with child abuse and murder. No one ACTUALLY believes this. It's all about conservatives giving themselves permission to go after basic individual freedoms they just don't like.
Why do you believe tenets of your faith should be enshrined in law and backed by state power? And how do you imagine you're going to make this happen without massive resistance and discord of epic proportions? Look at what other theocratic regimes in the world have had to do to survive. No one but a complete fanatic thrives in that environment. And if it were ever even partially successful in the US, Americans would eventually rebel against it in ways that would make Iran today and the Arab spring of few years ago look like a picnic.
The left absolutely wants to give minors the freedom to transition without parental consent.
I absolutely believe the unborn are worthy of government protection, and it has nothing to do with chaining the female libido, or whatever. It’s because I prefer babies alive to dead.
“Why don't you people just be happy that you have the freedom to live and practice your faith in peace, the way other religious groups do?”
Do I have that freedom? There are loads of jobs in this country that, were my faith known, I would never get hired in the first place, or would lose what I already have. The Obama administration went to the Supreme Court to try and force a Christian school to hire/fire without discriminating via its religious conviction. They failed, but the left is clear as to what it’s goal is. My church and my children's school will never be left alone.
”Why do you believe tenets of your faith should be enshrined in law and backed by state power?”
Why do you believe your faith must be enshrined in state power? Your secular humanism is absolutely our state religion now, with all the philosophical presuppositions taught in public schools, universities, and used as a checkpoints to filter out nonbelievers before they become part of the establishment.
”Look at what other theocratic regimes in the world have had to do to survive. No one but a complete fanatic thrives in that environment.”
Who says I want a theocracy? I didn’t say that, and you shouldn’t assume it. Theocracy is not at all what I’m after.
The part about minors getting transition surgeries is just hysterical nonsense, and I think you probably know it.
As for gay marriage and abortion, they don't represent freedom for you because you don't happen to need them. But for the others who do, they represent some very basic individual freedoms, and are necessary for their full self-actualization, in just the way that the emancipation of former slaves and the extension of voting rights to women represented forms of very basic freedom for those groups. And I could add, just in the way that freedom from British Imperial prerogatives was essential for the liberty of individual American settlers, even though some settlers opposed this freedom and wanted to remain loyal to the British crown.
As an aside, you know social/religious conservatives are losing the argument about rights expansion when they resort to talk about "protecting the innocent"-- children and fetuses, eliding basic freedoms that individuals enjoy in many of the world's societies with child abuse and murder. No one ACTUALLY believes this. It's all about conservatives giving themselves permission to go after basic individual freedoms they just don't like.
Why do you believe tenets of your faith should be enshrined in law and backed by state power? And how do you imagine you're going to make this happen without massive resistance and discord of epic proportions? Look at what other theocratic regimes in the world have had to do to survive. No one but a complete fanatic thrives in that environment. And if it were ever even partially successful in the US, Americans would eventually rebel against it in ways that would make Iran today and the Arab spring of few years ago look like a picnic.
The left absolutely wants to give minors the freedom to transition without parental consent.
I absolutely believe the unborn are worthy of government protection, and it has nothing to do with chaining the female libido, or whatever. It’s because I prefer babies alive to dead.
“Why don't you people just be happy that you have the freedom to live and practice your faith in peace, the way other religious groups do?”
Do I have that freedom? There are loads of jobs in this country that, were my faith known, I would never get hired in the first place, or would lose what I already have. The Obama administration went to the Supreme Court to try and force a Christian school to hire/fire without discriminating via its religious conviction. They failed, but the left is clear as to what it’s goal is. My church and my children's school will never be left alone.
”Why do you believe tenets of your faith should be enshrined in law and backed by state power?”
Why do you believe your faith must be enshrined in state power? Your secular humanism is absolutely our state religion now, with all the philosophical presuppositions taught in public schools, universities, and used as a checkpoints to filter out nonbelievers before they become part of the establishment.
”Look at what other theocratic regimes in the world have had to do to survive. No one but a complete fanatic thrives in that environment.”
Who says I want a theocracy? I didn’t say that, and you shouldn’t assume it. Theocracy is not at all what I’m after.
Did you just complain that you wouldn’t be able to get some jobs because of your religious beliefs but go on to argue that a religious school should be able to hire or fire based on a potential/current employee’s religious beliefs?
I don’t see transgenderism, gay marriage, abortion at will, transition surgeries for minors, etc to be an inevitable advancement of progress human liberty. I think individual rights are gifts from God. The things we are obsessed about today are just childish bleating to get what we want, right now. We want to fill a hole inside us that politics can’t fill. That’s nothing g to do with liberty, and everything to do with license.
Has there been any person who was negatively affected by two men (or two women) getting married? If so, in what way?
I don’t see transgenderism, gay marriage, abortion at will, transition surgeries for minors, etc to be an inevitable advancement of progress human liberty. I think individual rights are gifts from God. The things we are obsessed about today are just childish bleating to get what we want, right now. We want to fill a hole inside us that politics can’t fill. That’s nothing g to do with liberty, and everything to do with license.
Has there been any person who was negatively affected by two men (or two women) getting married? If so, in what way?
”Why do you believe tenets of your faith should be enshrined in law and backed by state power?”
Why do you believe your faith must be enshrined in state power? Your secular humanism is absolutely our state religion now, with all the philosophical presuppositions taught in public schools, universities, and used as a checkpoints to filter out nonbelievers before they become part of the establishment.
”Look at what other theocratic regimes in the world have had to do to survive. No one but a complete fanatic thrives in that environment.”
Who says I want a theocracy? I didn’t say that, and you shouldn’t assume it. Theocracy is not at all what I’m after.
The thing about secular humanism is that it is exposed and shaped by reasoned and logical scrutiny. It can be challenged and tested and changed.
A religion appeals to itself for its authority, so it is never wrong. Much more danger in being ruled by a set of rules that justify themselves. Especially from a religion that has a long history of openly advocating suppression, murder and mass slaughter.
If you want to ban early term abortions, that is a religious belief. If you are against homosexuality, that is a religious belief.
If you want the state to prevent abortion and gay marriage, if you want the state to pander to your homophobic religious beliefs, then you are advocating for a theocracy, in which the state is acting as the enforcement arm of a religion.
If you don't want a theocracy.....then stop asking the state to force your religious beliefs on others.
”Why do you believe tenets of your faith should be enshrined in law and backed by state power?”
Why do you believe your faith must be enshrined in state power? Your secular humanism is absolutely our state religion now, with all the philosophical presuppositions taught in public schools, universities, and used as a checkpoints to filter out nonbelievers before they become part of the establishment.
”Look at what other theocratic regimes in the world have had to do to survive. No one but a complete fanatic thrives in that environment.”
Who says I want a theocracy? I didn’t say that, and you shouldn’t assume it. Theocracy is not at all what I’m after.
The thing about secular humanism is that it is exposed and shaped by reasoned and logical scrutiny. It can be challenged and tested and changed.
A religion appeals to itself for its authority, so it is never wrong. Much more danger in being ruled by a set of rules that justify themselves. Especially from a religion that has a long history of openly advocating suppression, murder and mass slaughter.
If you want to ban early term abortions, that is a religious belief. If you are against homosexuality, that is a religious belief.
If you want the state to prevent abortion and gay marriage, if you want the state to pander to your homophobic religious beliefs, then you are advocating for a theocracy, in which the state is acting as the enforcement arm of a religion.
If you don't want a theocracy.....then stop asking the state to force your religious beliefs on others.
The state shouldn't get in the way of this guy joining communities that think the weird ways he does, but strangely he's very insistent on pushing those beliefs on others. He seems to miss the fact that people can work/live/legislate in ways that do not expose their beliefs unfairly to others.
How dare you justify my identify. I've posted my voter registration card. You must accept my self-identity,
1) I'd MUCH rather have Trump in prison than the 2024 president (that being said, I don't like politically motivated justice. If i did the same stuff, would you be coming after me?)
If it were discovered that you unlawfully retained classified documents and filed an affidavit that they'd all been returned when they had not, you better believe they'd be coming after you.
Much of the Trumps legal troubles are grey areas or matters difficult to effectively prosecute. The classified documents thing is neither.
The Republican platform is entirely fear-based at this point. If you vote for Democrats:
- They are coming for your guns
- They are coming for your church
- They're going to let all the criminals run free after they take your gun
- Their buddies the illegals are coming for your job and your daughter
- Speaking your daughter, the Dems want to make her into a transgender or force her to use the men's bathroom
- re: your daughter, btw, we're taking away her reproductive freedoms.
...etc...
The only solution? Tax cuts!
How the hell do people fall for this garbage? I yearn for the days when we had an actual functional Republican party that had real ideas and intended to try and pass meaningful legislation.
GOP candidate arrested for masterbating near a preschool. Still on ballet and might win.
"He added that he did not notice the child center until he was confronted by the police and said he was aware he "f*ck*d up" and now realized he should not be doing this in public. He said he was stressed and had a lot of things going on, still according to the report. Despite having been being charged, the Maricopa County Recorder's and Elections Department said it was too late for his name to be removed from the ballot, according to a CBS 3 report. In addition, some voters have already cast their ballots and would not be able to change their votes if they so wished."
“In the Bible I read, it said it’s a man and a woman. And the woman is a rib of a man. He don’t even want to tell you a man can’t get pregnant. I’m here to tell you that. Get it out of your head. Don’t let this guy take you down in that elevator!”
The left absolutely wants to give minors the freedom to transition without parental consent.
I absolutely believe the unborn are worthy of government protection, and it has nothing to do with chaining the female libido, or whatever. It’s because I prefer babies alive to dead.
“Why don't you people just be happy that you have the freedom to live and practice your faith in peace, the way other religious groups do?”
Do I have that freedom? There are loads of jobs in this country that, were my faith known, I would never get hired in the first place, or would lose what I already have. The Obama administration went to the Supreme Court to try and force a Christian school to hire/fire without discriminating via its religious conviction. They failed, but the left is clear as to what it’s goal is. My church and my children's school will never be left alone.
”Why do you believe tenets of your faith should be enshrined in law and backed by state power?”
Why do you believe your faith must be enshrined in state power? Your secular humanism is absolutely our state religion now, with all the philosophical presuppositions taught in public schools, universities, and used as a checkpoints to filter out nonbelievers before they become part of the establishment.
”Look at what other theocratic regimes in the world have had to do to survive. No one but a complete fanatic thrives in that environment.”
Who says I want a theocracy? I didn’t say that, and you shouldn’t assume it. Theocracy is not at all what I’m after.
Did you just complain that you wouldn’t be able to get some jobs because of your religious beliefs but go on to argue that a religious school should be able to hire or fire based on a potential/current employee’s religious beliefs?
I did. Religious organizations can, and must, be allowed to discriminate. Otherwise their essential religious character is violated, and they can no longer fulfill their function. No Christian school should be forced to hire and atheist, or an open homosexual if it goes against their teachings on sexual ethics. No yeshiva should be forced to hire a Muslim.
The jobs I am talking about are not religious in nature. I’m talking about jobs in academia, entertainment, high-level corporate, etc. Many Christians and others live in fear of their jobs based solely on their views on sexuality and gender, which do not conform to the social mainstream.
This poor fellow lost his about a day after getting it, because he belongs to a church that does not champion the fashionable views of the day on sexuality.
I’m not voting and sure as hell not wasting my time reading this. We are completely f’d anyways so don’t really care at this point. If we don’t all die by nuclear war within the next 20 years, something else will take us out like a massive asteroid or something. Just living each day like it’s man kinds last at this point.
I’m not voting and sure as hell not wasting my time reading this. We are completely f’d anyways so don’t really care at this point. If we don’t all die by nuclear war within the next 20 years, something else will take us out like a massive asteroid or something. Just living each day like it’s man kinds last at this point.
This thinking right here is the goal of those that want to transition from Democracy to Autocracy. the first step is to get people fed up with the concept of voting because it is all useless. IF a tiny fraction of the country even care about voting, it is easy to eliminate voting. Or at least to implement pseudo elections.
This is why authoritarians invest so much in the concept of "elections are rigged".
Did you just complain that you wouldn’t be able to get some jobs because of your religious beliefs but go on to argue that a religious school should be able to hire or fire based on a potential/current employee’s religious beliefs?
I did. Religious organizations can, and must, be allowed to discriminate. Otherwise their essential religious character is violated, and they can no longer fulfill their function. No Christian school should be forced to hire and atheist, or an open homosexual if it goes against their teachings on sexual ethics. No yeshiva should be forced to hire a Muslim.
The jobs I am talking about are not religious in nature. I’m talking about jobs in academia, entertainment, high-level corporate, etc. Many Christians and others live in fear of their jobs based solely on their views on sexuality and gender, which do not conform to the social mainstream.
This poor fellow lost his about a day after getting it, because he belongs to a church that does not champion the fashionable views of the day on sexuality.
I don’t think anyone should be fired for being a Christian obviously, but if you’re open about your disapproval for homosexuality, it kind of makes it difficult to justify a position of power in a company that has homosexuals (which is every large company).
I did. Religious organizations can, and must, be allowed to discriminate. Otherwise their essential religious character is violated, and they can no longer fulfill their function. No Christian school should be forced to hire and atheist, or an open homosexual if it goes against their teachings on sexual ethics. No yeshiva should be forced to hire a Muslim.
The jobs I am talking about are not religious in nature. I’m talking about jobs in academia, entertainment, high-level corporate, etc. Many Christians and others live in fear of their jobs based solely on their views on sexuality and gender, which do not conform to the social mainstream.
This poor fellow lost his about a day after getting it, because he belongs to a church that does not champion the fashionable views of the day on sexuality.
I don’t think anyone should be fired for being a Christian obviously, but if you’re open about your disapproval for homosexuality, it kind of makes it difficult to justify a position of power in a company that has homosexuals (which is every large company).
Many people in positions of power are open in their disapproval of Christians, and the beliefs they espouse. Presumably this makes life awkward for the Christians in their employ, does it not?
Why don’t we get to the root of the matter? Leftists are ok with Christians, and others with whom they disagree, being marginalized in society via legal or extra-legal means, because it occurs concurrently with leftists entering and maintaining positions of cultural influence and control.
I don’t think anyone should be fired for being a Christian obviously, but if you’re open about your disapproval for homosexuality, it kind of makes it difficult to justify a position of power in a company that has homosexuals (which is every large company).
Many people in positions of power are open in their disapproval of Christians, and the beliefs they espouse. Presumably this makes life awkward for the Christians in their employ, does it not?
Why don’t we get to the root of the matter? Leftists are ok with Christians, and others with whom they disagree, being marginalized in society via legal or extra-legal means, because it occurs concurrently with leftists entering and maintaining positions of cultural influence and control.
Most atheists do not disapprove of all Christians, or even most. Who has been in a position of power and expressed dislike for all Christians? Because usually it’s just the Westboro gay hating type the rest of us cannot stand. I’m currently looking to become Christian btw. Feeling it out. Checking out some local episcopal churches.
Liberals are exceedingly Christian. All of our presidents have been Christian. Obama is a Christian. Some radical leftists may want to marginalize the Christians, but the liberals are largely Christian and do not intend to marginalize the Christians. But yes, we don’t think a religious institution should be in charge of laws/morality. That’s for the people to decide, and we’ve largely decided to accept the gays and not accept bigotry.
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