Do you even THINK while you compose your posts? You immediately allege that I have made assertions without evidence and then you subsequently assert that you “can easily see him getting down to the 1:44 range.” Yet you provide no evidence other than your easy sight? Please….
Not to banter back and forth, but what the hell.
1) You did make an "assertion", I put it in quotes. Hmmm..."limited in turnover" is your expert opinion and knowledge? Please explain if you can.
2) And YES, I did "assert" myself AND supported it with a very clear explanation regarding his speed training and strength endurance. Clearly, I don't have a crystal ball, and cannot guarantee anything, as nothing is in this sport, but I can and did provide reasonable data and knowledge which is backed by personal experience.
Your move....and be better if you can!
No you offered your opinion which you have admitted here is biased. Jakob has run 1:46.44. That is fine BUT to assume he will run 1:44 based on your “explanation” is worthless. Jakob is a highly trained runner and 1:46 is what he has shown. Do I think he can run slightly faster? Yes but not 1:44. Maybe if he tried to become a 800m specialist BUT there would be no reason he would attempt that as he is not good enough at that event to be a champion.
No shame in that but Jakob is turning 22 in a week and I see him limited in his turnover which means he will likely not run faster at 1500m than he has. Then he will probably continue to be a sub 13 and sub 27 man who occasionally wins a global championship for a few more years. This is his ceiling, so best possible personal bests would be 12:40 and 26:25. A pretty good career one might say.
Hmmm...???
"No shame in that but Jakob is turning 22 in a week and I see him limited in his turnover which means he will likely not run faster at 1500m than he has".
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My take: Jakob is only 22 years old... His training is well thought out and I'm sure he has a plan in place over the next 4-6 years.
Should be fun to watch.
Right, only 22, if he continues to focus on the 15 i agree he can run faster.
There's a reason TdF and other big races call under 26 yrs old "young" riders, most men don't fully mature until age 25, and many feel that strength peaks in the mid to late 20s. Aside from improving strength, much of the late maturity is brain development, with improvements in areas associated with analysis, decision making and emotional regulation, which would help with racing and pacing.
All that said, he has to remain injury free to sustain his progress.
Yeah but you cannot have your cake and eat it too. Morceli was faster than Aouita at 1500m. Aouita was faster at 5000m, although Morceli only ran it maybe once? It seems that Morceli was likely faster than Aouita at either 800m or 5000m or else it makes little sense that he was faster than Aouita at 1500m. So maybe Morceli had more 5000m ability than Aouita, if we go by his faster 3000m, but he just never ran it much.
Morceli was running 90% of his races in the 1500m/mile while Aouita was dispersed between mile/5000m and the 800m.
Obviously Morceli learned from Aouita "experimentations".
Said was number 1 in the world in the 10k one year.
A 3:29 guy who can only run 14:06? I guess we may as well give Seb Coe a 7:30 and 13:05 if we want to be “realistic.”
Unlike your example, Coe was an actual runner who can only be judged on what he did.
A 9.2 100m guy? Nearly .4 seconds faster than Bolt? That's your "example"?
You made a blanket statement that one cannot be the greatest without having shown range. I nullified your assertion and you took offense. I am starting to get a better idea of who you are. Now it is making more sense, although your posts still don’t.
You cannot be good at only the lower end of the range and be considered better than those who are better at the entire range.
Seems obvious
The point was about middle distance, that's 800 to the Mile.
Coe obviously is the best in this spectrum in history.
Probably Coe is the best but it is interesting that if you add up their 800m and 1500m bests (which doesn’t prove too much), Coe has 5:11.50 and Asbel Kiprop has 5:09.84. Just saying…
Unlike your example, Coe was an actual runner who can only be judged on what he did.
A 9.2 100m guy? Nearly .4 seconds faster than Bolt? That's your "example"?
You made a blanket statement that one cannot be the greatest without having shown range. I nullified your assertion and you took offense. I am starting to get a better idea of who you are. Now it is making more sense, although your posts still don’t.
You "nullified" my assertion by making something up that could never happen.
The point was about middle distance, that's 800 to the Mile.
Coe obviously is the best in this spectrum in history.
Probably Coe is the best but it is interesting that if you add up their 800m and 1500m bests (which doesn’t prove too much), Coe has 5:11.50 and Asbel Kiprop has 5:09.84. Just saying…
Morceli, Aouita, El G, and likely others have faster combined times than Coe
Probably Coe is the best but it is interesting that if you add up their 800m and 1500m bests (which doesn’t prove too much), Coe has 5:11.50 and Asbel Kiprop has 5:09.84. Just saying…
Morceli, Aouita, El G, and likely others have faster combined times than Coe
This is incorrect. Sebastian Coe was 2x Olympic Champ at 1500m, 2x Olympic silver at 800m, plus held the WR at both distances.
Mo Farah had about 6-8 years of dominating including twice doubling at 5k/10k.
Jakob is the best Norwegian distance runner of all time though.
10k is not middle distance and Jakob is faster than Farah in both 1500m and 5000m. Coe might still have an edge on Jakob, but not by the time Jakob is done.
Mo didn’t time trial. But he absolutely would’ve wiped the floor with Jakob.
The people who think Jakob has peaked in the 1500 because he didn't PB this year must be the same ones who thought Cole Hocker was maxed out when he was closing 3:35 races in 52. I don't understand the complete inability to look beyond mere finishing times and consider the circumstances of a race, season, etc.
Jakob has improved substantially from last year. Prior to this season, he had never consistently dominated or been the clear number 1 in the world. He's joined Tim as the only other man capable of pushing sub-3:30 for the win once the pacers have dropped. In a year with two hard championship doubles, he's still managed multiple fast times in races he won convincingly. Compare his Zurich races the last two years and tell me he hasn't leveled up.
With just one championships next year, expect a greater emphasis on fast times. We probably wouldn't even be having this discussion if the pace lights in Lausanne had been set correctly, but it won't matter when he runs 3:27 in Monaco next season.
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