The way he lifted that was very sus definitely a muscle imbalance and he could’ve injured himself doing those lifts. One half of his body is obviously stronger than the other. but if you run in the same direction on a track one of half of your body is going to be stronger than the other. he didn’t need to do all that for the camera. I love mo Farrah, but he just happened to be the best of his time, he’s mentally strong, he’s a winner. it’s not because of DLs. trust me you’re not getting any where close to farrah because you deadlift cmon man wake up
"Salazar told British reporters that Farah's weakness when he joined the training group was a lack of muscular strength. When he tried to sprint at the end of races, his form fell apart and his arms flailed. The solution: 3.5 hours of work in the gym each week."
Which is why assessments are crucial and there is no 1 size fits all program. Deadlifting may help some but not help others. We also don't know how he progressed to lift this much, did he start with deadlifts or other exercises, if deadlifts which type and how much weight.
Yeah great argument I’ll give you that And kinda ties in with what I said about spencer if you’re visually and clearly weak then yeah weight train. now I won’t speculate on what else Salazar gave him besides a kick ass basic gym routine lol. you chose Farrah, not a great example bud surrounding his doping allegations. Personally I love the guy I love when a guy can consistently produce the W despite what’s in his body. mental strength is underrated. but for you to attempt to attribute all this success to weight training is hilarious... absolutely belly chuckling. What’s even more funny is my handle “it could work” but your whole argument is “YES IT DOES WORK”. Like I said hilarious.. who knew a man named Kenneth could have such a great sense of humour
We aren’t attributing MO’s success to just deadlifts. But Salazar essentially is. Also, I doubt our friend is actually Kenneth Copeland.
I know what the deal is and I know how much genetics plays a role. it’s 99.9 percent of the work. the biggest tragedy is when you see a good runner fall by the wayside. A hybrid athlete is respectable. but in reality there’s running and there’s the weights.
And idk man he seemed all lawyeree and stuff... so he’ll bent on being right. sure you can be right in your own mind but I know damn well how a human being runs Christ it’s as plain as day you don’t need fancy science to solve it
Thanks for the nice reply. They were a couple years ago during the height of Covid when I was stressed as hell. I was pretty heavy (230-240 for half the year, but about size 34 in pants), but still, not bad for my size, but not like I was 180 doing that. I had to cut that down this year, so less on strength, more on conditioning.
"Salazar told British reporters that Farah's weakness when he joined the training group was a lack of muscular strength. When he tried to sprint at the end of races, his form fell apart and his arms flailed. The solution: 3.5 hours of work in the gym each week."
Which is why assessments are crucial and there is no 1 size fits all program. Deadlifting may help some but not help others. We also don't know how he progressed to lift this much, did he start with deadlifts or other exercises, if deadlifts which type and how much weight.
I’m going to guess that he progressed his deadlift by… deadlifting. no one is saying “don’t do assessments” or to follow a particular program. funny enough, there are no “non-responders” to lifting. There’s poor programming which leads to negative adaptations. You can listen to MO’s strength coach talk about their program on Runnerspace. Look up Dave Mchenry.
And idk man he seemed all lawyeree and stuff... so he’ll bent on being right. sure you can be right in your own mind but I know damn well how a human being runs Christ it’s as plain as day you don’t need fancy science to solve it
He is right though. you’re sorta right.
genetics is 99% of it. Interestingly enough, those with genetics also do resistance training.
You’re really trying to make a case and you do a good job I’ll give you that. I was very impressed by your arguments and hard work. You got all your grammar right you hit me with a few jabs “dingus” wow that’s a good one gee willikers. it’s not about isolation of one group but of multiple groups sure it’s a compound, any dingus knows what a compound lift is. but what about the other side of that compound where your foot lands and quads have to absorb the shock. elite runners are god gifted the running ability it’s what talent is, they are wired from top to bottom to run hard and fast. Yes you hobby joggers and sage groupers should maybe learn to rebalance your muscles maybe you have worn a tool belt for half a decade, or you sit in a car /desk for half the day. you are the guys that need weight training. not an African or elite athlete who lives and breathes running who was born to do this.
Go 8 seconds into the video and please tell me what Mo Farah is doing.
Two things of interest as a general fan. I'm actually more impressed that he's doing what appears to be a modified Turkish Get-Up at the start, which is really tough to do correctly. He's moving quite agilely for that exercise, and it's great for building coordination and strength, especially for grappling sports.
Are those 45 plates on the bar--that's a lot of weight for a stiff-legged, no matter the size of the person, unless it's being done in place of straight DL at less weight. That will get a person's hamstrings strong as well (or tear the crap out of them).
Two things of interest as a general fan. I'm actually more impressed that he's doing what appears to be a modified Turkish Get-Up at the start, which is really tough to do correctly. He's moving quite agilely for that exercise, and it's great for building coordination and strength, especially for grappling sports.
Are those 45 plates on the bar--that's a lot of weight for a stiff-legged, no matter the size of the person, unless it's being done in place of straight DL at less weight. That will get a person's hamstrings strong as well (or tear the crap out of them).
Two things of interest as a general fan. I'm actually more impressed that he's doing what appears to be a modified Turkish Get-Up at the start, which is really tough to do correctly. He's moving quite agilely for that exercise, and it's great for building coordination and strength, especially for grappling sports.
Are those 45 plates on the bar--that's a lot of weight for a stiff-legged, no matter the size of the person, unless it's being done in place of straight DL at less weight. That will get a person's hamstrings strong as well (or tear the crap out of them).
Two things of interest as a general fan. I'm actually more impressed that he's doing what appears to be a modified Turkish Get-Up at the start, which is really tough to do correctly. He's moving quite agilely for that exercise, and it's great for building coordination and strength, especially for grappling sports.
Are those 45 plates on the bar--that's a lot of weight for a stiff-legged, no matter the size of the person, unless it's being done in place of straight DL at less weight. That will get a person's hamstrings strong as well (or tear the crap out of them).
For all the horrible, horrible things about Salazar, one good thing (gross to say) he emphasized with his training was the importance of full body strength, since a stronger body performs better and is more robust against injury and fatigue. Concerning Farah's weight on the barbell, he has two 25s (green plates), 4 35s (yellows), and the bar (45), which is 235libs.
My opinion is they don’t really need to do it though. and my opinions are not well received generally. I also think that age group talent needs to be properly cultivated and not rushed ie HS records
IMHO and from what I've been taught, for the average athlete--of which Mo F is certainly not--a full TGU at heavy weight requires a lot of balance and coordination to make sure the knee is not tracking to the side and that the actual standing portion of the lift is done without the extended arm/shoulder dipping in any way. It's one of those grind lifts that moves across both the horizontal and diagonal axes and can be pretty grueling if done heavy.
In my very limited experience of working out or helping out hobby joggers at my gym, even getting them to do it light as Farah's doing it, there's a habit of the person lifting the front foot off the ground when trying to get the weight up intially up from the sitting position. And it requires a good deal of coordination and concentration to keep the core consistently engaged for the standing part of the lift (which in the video Mo is not doing).
They compared strength work with placebo. That's great. It shows a benefit. But what I'd like to see, is three arms: A timed amount of strength work (weights), versus an arm where they add an equal amount of additional time spent running only, versus placebo.
This would be to answer the question: If I have a limited amount of time to add either time doing weights, or running more, but not both, which will most efficiently improve my race times?
Get off letsrun for an hour a week and add some lifting to your routine. I've yet to meet an actual person, in real life, who doesn't have a lot of spare time in their schedule. Most sports require 2-3x as much time training when compared to running.
The first hour of lifting per week is probably going to be more beneficial than the 8th+ hour of running.
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