Fauci says nearly everyone will get Omicron - Pandemic of vaxxed/unvaxxed

Let's really tell it like it is wrote:

Okay then, if it's just the antivaxxers who are dying left & right as you say, shouldn't it be a matter of time before they're all perished from the Earth & only the vaccinated are left on the planet? Therefore, if you just stay patient we'll all be taken by the virus & you won't have to put up with us dissidents anymore - so why are whining & griping so much? 🤔

Your logic makes sense when 100% of the unvaccinated would die when infected.

Death rates are low, like 1-2%, meaning 98-99% of the unvaccinated survive, and we would still have to put up with all of the surviving dissidents.

Death is not the solution.

Death is also not the only measure. When you end up in hospital or in the ICU -- this increases the burden on hospitals and society.

When you have long covid, this decreases your potential to contribute to society, and can also increase the burden on society.

When you don't wear a mask, don't social distance, don't practice hygiene, nor don't get a vaccine, you are a greater health hazard to society.

This is why others in society whine and gripe.

I would be fine when you fully pay 100% of the consequences of your choices.

well your existence as human on this world is horrible for the climate and the planet (Especially as an american using up so much). Time to pay up my friend. I really like that you want to pay for the consequences of your life on the world. around 90 % of your salary should be fine.

Most people should be getting vaxxed because most people are horrendously out of shape, and what you say is true.

But I think compelling fit and healthy people to be vaccinated, and creating a narrative that fit and healthy people are at any significant risk from covid thereby inducing unnecessary mental stress on young people, is a step too far, not least when we’ve had 2 decades of push back against any and all attempts to address the growing healthy / obesity crisis. Why is it ‘your body your choice’ when it comes to obesity but not vaccination?

For one, you can’t claim social costs, when even pre covid, the obese have been a burden on health resources and economies as a whole. The NHS has the number at £17B back in 2007. It’s estimate to rise to £50B within 3 decades. As it stands resources are held back for type 2 diabetics (at a cost of £12B per year when accounting for indirect costs), and therefore unavailable for the rest of us - podiatry, for example.

Since covid the burden on our health services have once again come from unhealthy individuals. 75% of covid deaths have happened to patients with 4 or more comorbidities, most are heavily overweight. The unvaccinated dying in hospitals fit into this group.

The second argument is a matter of transmissibility, which is somewhat of a lesser point with omnicrom, but at any rate overlooks the fact that the obese are also more likely to spread covid -

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/8/e2021830118

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All this to say, I think people should be vaccinated, but the inconsistency is irritating.

Really?...death rates are low with the unvaxxed? Because many of the haters of the unvaxxed here are insinuating that all evil unvaccinated dissidents are going to die (as they are by thousands per day supposedly?).

I agree death isn't the only measure but also not every unvaxxed ends up in the hospital or with "long-Covid." Case in point: I'm 60 & survived two bouts of Covid; the original strain back in Feb, 2020 & the Delta strain last Sept, 2021, experiencing mild/moderate symptoms requiring no medical intervention whatsoever. (I had overlapping cases with my 21 yr old son, who also experienced mild symptoms needing no medical intervention). Neither one of us have any evidence of long Covid, and my son is a fitness enthusiast doing some bodybuilding & cycling (he played football & ran track in HS).

After playing 4 yrs of D-1 football way back in the day, I did 10 yrs of competitive bodybuilding/powerlifting winning a regional title in BB. After that, I transitioned to running & triathlon for about 25 yrs before switching back to bodybuilding & cycling due to post-traumatic OA. I currently train 7 days a week & I'm in better shape than most men half my age (not a surprise considering how fat & unhealthy the average American male has become in this country).

After recovering from the Delta variant, I took an antibody test through my healthcare provider which showed reactive for antibodies from SARS-CoV-2. So, having post-infection immunity I'm not interested in taking the vaccine. But yet I'm thrown into the scum of the Earth category of the evil unvaccinated with many here wishing I would die from Covid (It's probably just a matter of time before I acquire the mighty "Omicron" variant and then maybe to satisfaction of the vaccine extremists I'll end up dead this time).

Better solution than paying 100% for our consequences is have the medical system just flatly refuse to treat any unvaccinated persons for a Covid infection - that surely that would unclog the hospitals of those horrible, disgusting, unvaccinated, disobedient unvaccinated. Then maybe the vaccine extremists here will quit whining & crying about the unvaccinated therefore living in a perfect world of rainbows & marshmallows free of the unvaccinated.

nooneisthegoat wrote:

well your existence as human on this world is horrible for the climate and the planet (Especially as an american using up so much). Time to pay up my friend. I really like that you want to pay for the consequences of your life on the world. around 90 % of your salary should be fine.

Nice post, but horribly mistaken and not based on facts. I live in a country meeting its carbon tax commitments, and consume energy like a European. I drive a fuel efficient car, and for nearly 2 years, as one benefit from the pandemic, I mostly work from home. I pay about 30% of my salary which is about average for my means, and absolutely fairly generous, and with respect to COVID, my burden to the state was the cost of about a half dozen tests, and three shots.

What is omnicrom?

Obesity is a problem in society too. I can claim social costs burdens for both -- I don't have to choose only one. Two wrongs don't make a right. However vaccinations also help the obese reduce the burden on the society related to COVID.

Although obesity is also a burden on society, obesity fails as an analogy for two reasons:

- obesity is not contagious.

- for the government's part, it consistently and constantly recommends a healthy lifestyle. But funding for public service messages cannot compete with the budgets of the food and supplement industry.

Furthermore, obesity is not completely a pure personal choice, but is a complex result of many factors in a society that favors the freedoms of large corporations to make a profit above the health of the general public.

I'm not in favor of compelling anyone to to be vaccinated. I'm in favor of personal education and access to accurate information for the general public to be both capable and able to make their own informed decisions. A separate problem arises though after the unvaccinated make their personal choice, and then want to go out and mingle with others in society. Then the consequences of "their body, their choice", are no longer personal. Society doesn't want that higher risk mutual partnership and doesn't give its mutual consent. This can be partly mitigated by wearing a mask and practicing social distancing at all times.

It might help understanding if the unvaccinated considered themselves as a lethal potential bio-hazard, and acted accordingly, through some combination of vaccinating, hand hygiene, masking, and/or social distancing.

Really.

I don't worry about the insinuations of many, whether they are haters of the unvaxxed, or anti-vaxxers.

That is not where I get my information.

You are actively participating in many of these threads, which are heavily populated with links to real data. You don't need to rely on insinuations.

There is a difference between saying "most deaths are from the unvaccinated" and "most unvaccinated will kill before they die".

If you think you are not the target for their hate, then simply don't take offense, or feel any need to get defensive.

I'm happy you and your son are in great shape. I suspect that many "letsrun" readers are also runners, and tend to be in better shape than average.

In Europe, after your infection from Sept. 2021, you would get a certificate of recovery with a valid QR-code from your national government, which is valid for 6 months, and you would be treated as if you were vaccinated with two doses, with respect to going to restaurants, cinemas, workplace, etc.

Maybe by March, we are past the Omicron peak, and the heightened restrictions will be lifted. Maybe Omicron will help us achieve herd immunity, as the unvaccinated finally get inoculated with Omicron.

If you are not vegan you are participating in the climate destruction of the planet. Fuel efficient car is not enough, you should drive an electric car AND fueled by solar energies. Again you are participating in the climate destruction of the planet.

milliex wrote:

He's made his money off of this pandemic, time to smooth it over and exit nicely.

Exactly. +1

carmine9 wrote:

zvcxzcvx wrote:

All our anti-vaxxers and COVID deniers, anti-maskers, and anti-social distancing people account for a good deal of how badly COVID has spread in the U.S. and why our death toll is so much greater than East Asia. Those countries exercised actual discipline to keep it out.

Oddly. Places with the least vaccinations also have the least deaths.

Africa for example.

US death toll, with its masks, lockdowns, social distancing, high rate of vaccinations and now vaccine mandates and passports, is the highest in the world

Kinda makes you question the numbers.

ergonomia wrote:

If you are not vegan you are participating in the climate destruction of the planet. Fuel efficient car is not enough, you should drive an electric car AND fueled by solar energies. Again you are participating in the climate destruction of the planet.

I'm not so sure -- what is the environment impact of building batteries and solar panels and rubber for the tires, etc.?

Homeowners can do there small part, but the environment needs to be solved by reforming industries causing the biggest pollution and environmental impacts.

But does this mean you support the unvaccinated paying the full costs for their choices?

I'm glad Fauci finally admits what is obvious to those with a functioning brain. The vaccines are causing the spread.

How is it that Fauci is always the first one to not know what's going on with Covid?

fromtheheart wrote:

How is it that Fauci is always the first one to not know what's going on with Covid?

This idea is only expressed by those who don't really know what is going on with Covid.

Finance Minister calls for end to Green Pass

“There is no medical or epidemiological logic in the Green Pass, many experts agree,” Liberman said. “There is, however, direct harm to the economy, to daily operations and a not insignificant contribution to daily panic in the public.”

Liberman said he was working with “all the authorities” in order to get rid of the Green Pass and “maintain a normal life routine for all of us.”

Israelis are only allowed into many public and private facilities with a Green Pass.

Wow, these guys get paid the big bucks to finally acknowledge what some of us have been saying for over a year.

I don’t understand why we are all regurgitating old talking points from two years ago.

The Omicron variant along with the wide spread access of a vaccine makes all these old talking points irrelevant. Let’s move on from COVID and get back to normal.

Let's really tell it like it is wrote:

Better solution than paying 100% for our consequences is have the medical system just flatly refuse to treat any unvaccinated persons for a Covid infection - that surely that would unclog the hospitals of those horrible, disgusting, unvaccinated, disobedient unvaccinated. Then maybe the vaccine extremists here will quit whining & crying about the unvaccinated therefore living in a perfect world of rainbows & marshmallows free of the unvaccinated.

Most people would view denying medical lifesaving care as much less moral than mandating vaccines. It is unclear why vaccine (or testing) mandates are such a hot-button issue for you. The government mandates that you do a lot of other things that have far less direct impact on the public good.

And here come the vaccine passport microchips.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/hVgsjlFMeRnF/