BREAKING: DeSantis Saves Girls Sports in Florida!!

Lenny Leonard wrote:

wazzu1452 wrote:

No - What I am saying is that People who want to be another sex besides the one that their DNA says they are - these people are crazy! We should get them help so they can live their life with their appropriate sex in mind ( REALITY).

They should not participate in sports while pretending to be a sex they are not. Obviously.

Progressives are so weak.....

So this is the conservative argument? Not only should transgender people not be allowed to play sports, but we should convert them back to their birth gender and have them live their singular life in that way?

So we shouldn’t have age divisions either? By your logic I should be able to declare myself 18 and win a state championship. If you say I can’t, then you are just an ageist bigot.

Armstronglivs wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if there were women who didnt share their apparent indifference to losing to males. I don't hear from women that women's sport as a protected category has had its day and should now be open to all-comers. For those who are professional, like Harris and Krieger, that would be the end of their careers.

No one is suggesting that women's sports should be open to all-comers. Certainly not Harris and Krieger. They are saying it should be open to trans women.

Trans women are not men who are pretending to be women for the purpose of competitive edge.

The ladies in our household love it.

I don't think it needs to be law. Such a waste of time and energy.

Another Florida politician, MATT GAETZ, has volunteered in any way with high school females

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if there were women who didnt share their apparent indifference to losing to males. I don't hear from women that women's sport as a protected category has had its day and should now be open to all-comers. For those who are professional, like Harris and Krieger, that would be the end of their careers.

No one is suggesting that women's sports should be open to all-comers. Certainly not Harris and Krieger. They are saying it should be open to trans women.

Trans women are not men who are pretending to be women for the purpose of competitive edge.

Trans women are men pretending to be woman. They then have a natural advantage

I'm guessing most highschool athletes are still intact. What I'm getting at is, transgender used to be getting the full chemical and surgical transformation. I don't think that's what is happening.

It's all mental, persons that are mentally female. That's seems like a low bar. I watched some video which insinuated that the worst male athletes were crossing over to become the best female athletes. Just wild.

Meanwhile, Girls are missing out on regional and state level accolades.

We had a homosexual on my HS team. That was a very confusing interaction. I could not imagine someone like that in the locker room with my daughter. Some dude in a speedo and singlet, bad wig and bad make-up trying to figure life out. I just don't know..

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if there were women who didnt share their apparent indifference to losing to males. I don't hear from women that women's sport as a protected category has had its day and should now be open to all-comers. For those who are professional, like Harris and Krieger, that would be the end of their careers.

No one is suggesting that women's sports should be open to all-comers. Certainly not Harris and Krieger. They are saying it should be open to trans women.

Trans women are not men who are pretending to be women for the purpose of competitive edge.

Trans women are male. Womens sports have excluded males for obvious reasons, that women cannot compete fairly against males.

The transgender argument is based on the fallacy that male and female categories are social categories only and not biologically defined. It is essentially the same as age or weight categories - as others here have pointed out.

Yawn^2 wrote:

Wow, I had no idea you were that indoctrinated.

That's simply not a legitimate rejoinder. First, Florida had 1,314 deaths last May 1 when DeSantis reopened. It now has 37k. Why was it the right decision to shut down with near zero deaths March 12, but the right decision to reopen at 1,314 and leave us with upwards of 37,000?

COVID Mortality Rates:

Texas 1786/million

Florida 1719

California 1602

Florida hardly even has any mass transportation to have spread the virus. Its primary tourist activities are outdoors. It has warm enough weather that no one needs to go indoors in the winter. It had hardly any contact with China in the early stages, unlike California. Yet, it did a lot worse.

Florida data scientist, who was arrested and records taken for refusing to conceal actual data about COVID:

Yawn^2 wrote:

Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:

No one is suggesting that women's sports should be open to all-comers. Certainly not Harris and Krieger. They are saying it should be open to trans women.

Trans women are not men who are pretending to be women for the purpose of competitive edge.

Trans women are men pretending to be woman. They then have a natural advantage

And you are switching the subject because you have no counterpoint.

No one has transitioned from male to female to gain competitive edge in sports. Can you name any example?

And women who support the inclusion of trans athletes are not denying the natural advantage of trans women. They say inclusion is more important.

So you are not really refuting Harris and Krieger with your rambling.

Jerry Maguire wrote:

MeHereYouWhere?! wrote:

Good job Ron!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/florida-governor-bans-transgender-women-160323051.html

Saw this, its awesome.

Unfortunately the left is going to lose their minds.... I just cannot understand this for the life of me. What's going to be the tipping point where people realize that trans athletes cannot compete with women? Olympic Gold by a trans athlete?

I'm an independent who voted Democrat in the last election.

I hear ya. I am also an Independent who has voted in 4 elections and voted Rep twice and Dem twice.

This is an example of why the Democratic party has no future. They are losing the large chunk of progressive, moderate Dems who don't agree with these far left policies.

It just boggles my mind that people actually believe someone can look at their penis and say, "I'm a girl." Or look at their vagina and say, "I'm a boy," Obviously from a sports perspective, the former situation is more prudent.

Meet Becky, the next big threat to girls sports... or not.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/11-old-trans-girl-barred-145229428.html

Former New Zealand Olympic medallist Lorraine Moller has questioned the fairness behind allowing transgender athletes to compete in the women's categories at the Games.

Moller's professional running career stretched 22 years and saw her compete at an impressive four Olympic Games starting at the 1984 event in Los Angeles, as well as three Commonwealth Games.

She won a total of three medals at the two showpiece events spread across the marathon, 1500 and 3000-metre races.

The now 66-year-old was also a strong advocate for women's rights in sport, calling on female athletes to be paid alongside men at a time when they received nothing.

She told Gold AM's Country Sport Breakfast it could thwart the hard work already achieved.

"We fought very hard in our time, especially for us women who didn't have parity in the Olympic events. We were involved in a campaign back then just to have our own events for ourselves, separate from the men's category," she said.

"Now we have suddenly this whole issue of men who identify as women wanting to be included in the women's category, and I find that very concerning and it seems that there's a possibility of derailing the very thing that we fought for because men have considerable advantage across the board. The top women could never beat the top men and if it had been an open category, I would never have had an Olympic team or stood on the podium."

RunRagged wrote:

Girls & boys of this age are already self-conscious about their bodies. Moreover, girls age 11 are already being catcalled, stared at, groped & subjected to lewd comments & to shaming about their bodies & especially their periods. Making girls of this age undress & share intimate facilities with their male classmates is unfair to them. It's unfair to most boys too, coz lots of boys are as embarrassed by their developing bodies as girls are.

In the article you linked to, parents of girls who would not let Becky have sleepovers with their daughters were made out to be bigots & silly prudes. But lots of 11 year-old girls can get pregnant, & unfortunately many do. The youngest girl to get pregnant on record was 5.

If you think other girls are "catcalled, stared at, groped & subjected to lewd comments & to shaming about their bodies" by someone like Becky in the locker room, I think you are a bit paranoid. The same for the parents who think Becky will rape another girl and impregnate her during a sleepover.

RunRagged wrote:

I'm not paranoid, just practical. When I was in first grade I was sexually molested by two boys in my class. Decades later, a classmate of my 6-year-old son grabbed me in the crotch & said, 'You like that, don't you?"

So they were cis boys. not trans girls.

You put "trans girls" in quotation because you don't believe there is any trans girl.

I guess there is no point in continuing any discussion on this topic, since you don't share the fundamental premise.