Not Kidding: 4 GUYS BREAK 58:00!!! 57:32 half marathon world record

Impressive feat by Kandie, but I guess it is nice to have Kiplimo and Kipruto as pacemakers. One of those should be able to break 57 on a perfect day.

The bigger pool of talent being one tribe/community in Kenya and Uganda (the Kalenjins, where 98% of the top Kenyan and Ugandan runners are from) and the Ethiopians and the occasional Eritrean?

DC Wonk wrote:

Yes, I agree. Jesus god the new shoe design has been out for what, 5 years now, and everyone from the elites to middle school 5k runners are wearing them.

World records are not set by shoes, anymore than winning the Tour de France by some special bicycle. There are new training methods, more faster runners, and more money.

How much of a role doping plays in these records I don’t know, but I do know the shoes aren’t setting records.

It's called it's a road race.

The course is probably the best in the world due to a number of factors such as incline, decline, air pollution, wind, temp, etc.

The only way to have a real half marathon WR stand is to do it on a track like everyone else. Road races don't count because each course is too different.

So yay. Big deal. They ran a worlds best on a fast course.

Do it on a track or don't do it at all. Bottomline.

jiggymeister wrote:

yeah... because being the world championship half marathon runner up = nobody

Yeah what a dumb thought.

2020 perspective wrote:

57:32 is equivalent to a sub 1:40 800, sub 26 10k and sub 2 hour marathon. This is the greatest distance performance we have ever seen. Do I think the shoes are a major catalyst of this? Absolutely

No it actually isn't.

Unless all marathons and half marathons are ran on a track then it's not the equivalent to anything. Especially that distance.

You can't compare the two. They are too different.

A sub 42.47 in the 400 is the only thing equivalent to a sub 1:40 in the 800.

It's not that big of a deal. Then just buy the shoes that everyone is winning in. Simple as that.

There's no proof though to the steroid claims unless they devise better ways to detect steroid usage.

A fast shoe isn't really that big of a deal. Great so someone ran a WR in a fast shoe. Who cares. Go buy that shoe and see if you can beat the WR.

Coevett wrote:

Coached by Joseph Cheromei, the same guy who coached Vincent Yator - banned for four years this April for doping.

Utter insanity indeed.

Right but you have zero evidence of any steroid usage. Who cares who they were coached by. That proves nothing.

I have more proof of some level of myostatin deficiency disorders in all of these runners than you do of steroid usage.

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briswiss wrote:

Sprintgeezer wrote:

Some combo of short course, drugs, shoes, conditions, field.

This is more absurd than epic sprint races like the Eugene 13. Way more absurd.

Gee it just happens to be during a testing disruption and speed shoe introduction. Coincidence, right?

Riiiiiiight.

What kind of moron believes this shyte?

Yep. This result basically killed all enthusiasm I have for the sport. The 10k and 5k world records going down on the track effortlessly was the start of the tipping point for me. This is a joke. Let’s not making the cheating so obvious guys

Who cares?

Every single track record from the 100 to 3000 could be broken by next year as the myostatin deficiencies continue to get stronger and stronger and stronger within these athletes. Some are on higher or lower levels of the myostatin deficiency disorder scale. It's just in their DNA codes.

If you're not myostatin deficient then you don't stand a chance to win..

mask off wrote:

American distance runners suck compared to those in Africa. They have a bigger pool of talent, start earlier,

Ok thanks for the update Mr. Obvious. Everyone already knows that.

My last post on the subject because like with covid threads, most people make up their minds and will never change them.

You judge me and make assumptions without any credibility to do so.

I never said most dopers get caught. I said that Kiptum beat a world record in Valencia and now another Kenya beat a world record in Valencia. I have a tiny bit of trust in anti doping procedures that if they did it once they can do it again. There is no certainty, just what I hope because I want a sport without doping.

Yes, I am aware of that, thank you very much, Captain Obvious.

You should try reading more carefully what people write, because I never said that one doper being caught proves that all dopers get caught.

Sure, because I would gain so much from doing so.

Do you need a training plan?

John_James_413 wrote:

Coevett wrote:

Coached by Joseph Cheromei, the same guy who coached Vincent Yator - banned for four years this April for doping.

Utter insanity indeed.

Right but you have zero evidence of any steroid usage. Who cares who they were coached by. That proves nothing.

I have more proof of some level of myostatin deficiency disorders in all of these runners than you do of steroid usage.

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Correct, that's why he is free to break further records. It is, however, circumstantial evidence, and reasonable people are able to draw reasonable conclusions.

Your second paragraph is nonsense. We're talking EPO here, btw, although no doubt he's on roids and rat poison too.

5t5thh wrote:

I never said most dopers get caught. I said that Kiptum beat a world record in Valencia and now another Kenya beat a world record in Valencia. I have a tiny bit of trust in anti doping procedures that if they did it once they can do it again. There is no certainty, just what I hope because I want a sport without doping.

Yet originally you wrote:

[quote]5t5thh wrote:

Kiptum got busted. So if these guys are doping they will get busted.

Sounds like a "certainty" to me. And I don't see what's so different for "these guys" than for the other dopers. Why do you propose that these guys would get caught, but other guys would not?

As for your "trust in anti doping procedures ": Kiptum got caught because he blood-doped all out, although we do know how that works. There is literally no way to catch a smart blood doper.

You need to raise your Hb slowly over the years, moving your individual threshold, while not exceeding 200 mL per injection to be on the safe side.

Or, you can bring yourself up to high levels before competing professionally, starting with a high individual threshold. All of that is public knowledge.

That got scrambled up. Let me try that again.

5t5thh wrote:

I never said most dopers get caught. I said that Kiptum beat a world record in Valencia and now another Kenya beat a world record in Valencia. I have a tiny bit of trust in anti doping procedures that if they did it once they can do it again. There is no certainty, just what I hope because I want a sport without doping.

Yet originally you wrote:

5t5thh wrote:

Kiptum got busted. So if these guys are doping they will get busted.

Sounds like a "certainty" to me. And I don't see what's so different for "these guys" than for the other dopers. Why do you propose that these guys would get caught, but other guys would not?

As for your "trust in anti doping procedures ": Kiptum got caught because he blood-doped all out, although we do know how that works. There is literally no way to catch a smart blood doper.

You need to raise your Hb slowly over the years, moving your individual threshold, while not exceeding 200 mL per injection to be on the safe side.

Or, you can bring yourself up to high levels before competing professionally, starting with a high individual threshold. All of that is public knowledge.

Very strange response to issues that were not raised - the old straw man technique.

My post described longstanding, loyal fans who were driven away when their reasons for staying loyal and buying season tickets or flex plans were removed, like credibility in the records and the competition.

Fans stayed away after(is the dope really gone?) the steroid/HgH era because of the steroid and HgH era. All the new stadiums with craft beers, museums and lounges mainly attracted patrons who looked at baseball as no different than movies, concerts and other occasional expensive distractions.

Track and running now have only boutique fans like those on this thread who have the sport as a life style. As a poster wrote above, athletics as the Brits say, used to be household/front page news only a few decades ago because the fastest miler in the world or the world's fastest human were believed to be awesome, combinations of talent, work and very rare circumstances of competition that were worth waiting for.

Is there really a debate about whether or not track and running are a third tier spectator sport?

Maybe that's OK, but there's no denying it. Some of the biggest moments in the sport have to do with records and dope has turned the big moments into tiny, commonplace occurrences.

I agree. This guy also doesn't understand that someone doping in a game like baseball is very different from someone doping in a sport like running in which the whole point is demonstrating a specific maximal performance.

Also, I don't see this guy clamoring for reversal of banning of Russia from T&F or encouraging doping outside of Africa.

Also, Trout has 302 home runs in 10 seasons. Only 28. Most of the top home runners have played 22-23 seasons so he is certainly on track for 600+. This is why he is a star.

Professional running is is a dope infested joke that sports fans no longer pay any attention to. And there is no way you can clean up the sport. You will never catch the dopers, the incentive will always be there and and there will always be enough corruption and denial. We know they are cheating. They know there cheating. Just as in cycling we are watching chemistry.

Yes,it's very suspicious.You don't get that kind of development in a natural way.And no results 2018??

Nike should make an entire 400m track out of ZoomX as an advertising ploy.

No. Vincent Yator NEVER was coached by Joseph Cheromei. Mark Korir was.

Yator had Davor Savija as manager (Ika Ika), and, how is clearly written in the article, joined Mark Korir (managed by Gianni Demadonna, and Cheromei is the coach of Demadonna).

This happened for 7 weeks only after Frankfurt, Yator didn't have any program and joined the training of a friend, for recovering a better fitness only (in Honolulu he ran 2:15).

Look what Yator says, not what the "journalist" says.