Another protestor shot by federal agents in Minnesota

joedlrt wrote:

Admin wrote:

You guys have a warped view of culture and the benefits of culture in general. Like, what are you even expecting this answer to be? A list of musicians or something?

I grew up in the city, so my childhood friends were all exactly like me (typical american childhoods) except their home-life had elements of their parent's country. My friend group was a Polish kid, Lithuanian, Chinese, and a Pakistani. This was early 2000s chicago.

As a result, all of us have a better understanding of the international world, history, culture, because you would do things like go to their house and notice that everything is Polish and their dad loves to talk about polish history, for example. Or that information about Pakistan that you learn in passing over the years makes more sense in the context of their culture, for example.

And then some dum dum from work goes on saying some racist bullsht about Polish people, presented as "fact", and you realize how stupid it sounds.

So that's the benefit of knowing people from a different background. That's what they contribute. Also, they're going to be exactly like everyone else within 1 generation. That's another thing people overlook. It's just more proof that the people talking about this sht have never even met someone outside of their cult.

Without immigrants, you end up in a dead end. You cannot fix the brain of a MAGA without this. It's like trying to play chess with a pigeon. No amount of training it prevents it from knocking all the pieces off. Their xenophobia will never go away until they leave their suburbs.

Like, imagine trying to explain a specific engine part and how it functions to a man from 1750 who has never seen a car? That's what it feels like talking to a MAGA about immigrants.

And another thing, this lack of cultural-knowledge really messes with middle-American's financial opportunity. Let me put this in a language you understand. I work a corporate job in NYC doing pretty well. If you're simple minded, you're going to be poor forever. People will laugh at you for even entertaining any political stance that isn't left, even lefter than the Dems (fk the dems). If not, it implies you didn't take any serious classes in college and don't have a complete worldview. If you don't have that, how can you be trusted to do international business, where the real money is? So literally another benefit of them is that they will make you and your family more money (because of the education)

The big difference is most of those you are talking about came through legal channels and were subject to a vetting process and often quotas. Biden threw that out the door. Are you saying ICE shouldn’t be going after convicted criminals? I am perfectly fine with ICE deporting sex offenders, drunk drivers, spouse and child abusers, murderers, etc.

Again, it’s worth noting Good died trying to impede the deportation of a sex offender and Pretti died trying to impede the deportation of a wife beater. Had the locals been complying with ICE all along, ICE would not have to go out in the community in pursuit of alien criminals, and the collateral arrests would not be taking place. They aren’t targeting minorities. They are targeting convicted criminals. ICE isn’t selective of where the criminals are from. It’s not like they are ignoring Australian or Canadian illegal aliens who have been convicted of a crime.

It just happens that 93.7% of Immigrants convicted of a crime are Hispanic. Asians are the next largest share of illegal immigrants, but rarely commit crimes (roughly 15% of all illegal aliens, but only about 1.5% of convicted aliens). Also, 94.4% of alien criminals are male, do you also consider ICE to discriminate by gender since they are almost exclusively deporting males (you know, all those males traveling alone that Biden and Harris let in the country?).

Admin wrote:

joedlrt wrote:

False. Previous generations were subject to a health check, interview and quotas. In 1990 they established a quota of 675,000 per year (in a bill introduced by Drunk Democrat Ted Kennedy in 1989). Please debunk my talking points if they are so “easily debunkable”.

Honestly, I don't know the numbers there, I'll give you that one. I said something based off of anecdotal evidence (my bad). In my large circle in the city in the early 2000s, all my friends parents did the "come here on a visa, let it expire, lay low for 20 years" method.

However, if you knew anything about these communities, you would know that the crime that was occurring (Chicago gang culture) was coming from the KIDS of these immigrants who are full blown Americans.

And with that, knowing that Regan's policies and Conservatism (defunding social safety nets, defunding education, defunding city services intentionally to make immigrant communities suffer, etc) DIRECTLY causes crime and poverty, you can see that again, this "immigrant gangs" terrorizing communities myth is unbelievably ridiculous. You're not even aware of what the Crimes being committed are or who is doing them....and you don't even realize that things like Chicago gang culture barely exist anymore....You entire worldview is based off of fearmongering and methods that are obvious to anyone who knows world history.

Admin wrote:

I said "most" in high paying corporate jobs. I mean the employees themselves, not the people who own them.

Yes, obviously a CEO or corporation would be with the Republicans because they let them commit financial crimes with no consequences.

But the employees themselves (the brokers, lawyers, analysists, accountants) come from SUPER educated backgrounds. They all went to Ivy League schools, took philosophy and sociology classes, economics classes, history classes, EVERYTHING.

The general behavior is "yeah this is all f'd up, but we exist in this system and you might as well just do your job and get paid, since nothing will change without a massive revolution (nothing changed after 2008), so f it". Republicans don't exist in these spaces, at least not loudly.

Source: I work in these fields and went to a nice school. People talk about these things at work happy hours and there has never been a single time someone has claimed they were a conservative or a republican legitimately. This is across multiple jobs. Perhaps "culturally", but not for real...

I understand that's anecdotal. But I'm sure you can find a breakdown of people's jobs and incomes vs whether or not they're MAGA. You don't go to an ivy league school and become maga...that literally does not make ANY sense.

exrunnerboy wrote:

Admin wrote:

Honestly, I don't know the numbers there, I'll give you that one. I said something based off of anecdotal evidence (my bad). In my large circle in the city in the early 2000s, all my friends parents did the "come here on a visa, let it expire, lay low for 20 years" method.

However, if you knew anything about these communities, you would know that the crime that was occurring (Chicago gang culture) was coming from the KIDS of these immigrants who are full blown Americans.

And with that, knowing that Regan's policies and Conservatism (defunding social safety nets, defunding education, defunding city services intentionally to make immigrant communities suffer, etc) DIRECTLY causes crime and poverty, you can see that again, this "immigrant gangs" terrorizing communities myth is unbelievably ridiculous. You're not even aware of what the Crimes being committed are or who is doing them....and you don't even realize that things like Chicago gang culture barely exist anymore....You entire worldview is based off of fearmongering and methods that are obvious to anyone who knows world history.

Face reality....We have Hispanic gangs in hundreds or thousands of cities across the US....Many of them work with the Mexican cartels to import the drugs coming in.....You say it isn't a problem, talk to someone in law enforcement and ask them....

exrunnerboy wrote:

Admin wrote:

Honestly, I don't know the numbers there, I'll give you that one. I said something based off of anecdotal evidence (my bad). In my large circle in the city in the early 2000s, all my friends parents did the "come here on a visa, let it expire, lay low for 20 years" method.

However, if you knew anything about these communities, you would know that the crime that was occurring (Chicago gang culture) was coming from the KIDS of these immigrants who are full blown Americans.

And with that, knowing that Regan's policies and Conservatism (defunding social safety nets, defunding education, defunding city services intentionally to make immigrant communities suffer, etc) DIRECTLY causes crime and poverty, you can see that again, this "immigrant gangs" terrorizing communities myth is unbelievably ridiculous. You're not even aware of what the Crimes being committed are or who is doing them....and you don't even realize that things like Chicago gang culture barely exist anymore....You entire worldview is based off of fearmongering and methods that are obvious to anyone who knows world history.

>talk to someone in law enforcement and ask them....

Admin wrote:

hohoho wrote:

It's nothing to do with sucess. It's because they know Republicans will protect their wealth at the expense of the ordinary person.

High schoolers / children still have Boomer-takes because they just repeat the talking points of their parents and grandparents.

"When you get older and make more money, you become more conservative".

Literally the stupidist take of all time. This only happens if you stop learning ANYTHING past 12th grade. A lot of parents don't read books and only watch TV shows. Even the history channel is nothing but details about war battles instead of what lead up to the war itself. They're not aware you can just learn about a history of American's foreign policy or a history of financial institutions in America. They literally still have the beliefs of children.

So it makes sense that they stick to this talking point that "successful" people are republican legitimately.