Says the guy who has just reached 35,000 posts. 1,000 in the last 30 days. hahahaha
Have a great evening.
I am not a general defender of Armstronglivs -he and I disagree in a lot of things, and we have also chosen different posting styles, for now…
But here’s some more of how I view the quarrels on these threads: “Arms” likes to remind people that he thinks doping is prevalent and f.x that he thinks part of Jakob’s problem is that he is an egotist and a narcissist. And Arms knows he annoys people with that constant repetition, and also that he has a low threshold for insults and generally calling other poster for idiots, or at least their posts for bs…
But what’s wrong with the above mentioned behaviour..? -On the contrary; I think his way of posting serves a higher good: He forces his opponents to realise that one of the values of a public discussion forum is to accept opinions and style that is different from our own. And as posters on a forum “that is only sport/athletics” I think we all got an opportunity to grow by finding methods to swallow things without feelings of being humiliated or the need of revenge. Yes, maybe we could laugh a little, an even appreciate our opponents sarcasm and sometimes very well shaped sentences and points…
I don’t mind if Armstronglivs choose to call me an idiot, because he might even be right. -I’m not perfect, and as humans we clearly are idiots -just take a look on the world we have created..!
My wife frequently calls me an idiot, and since she is exceptionally intelligent I have learned quite a lot from that. But she’s not always right; sometimes it is she that struggles cognitively, because feelings or misunderstandings enter the arena, and then intelligence solves very little (in the heat of the moment)… Likewise with an opponent poster on Let’srun: Arms can be right, or maybe I’m only partially an idiot (and got some very good things in the part where I’m not being wrong), or he is the one that is the idiot this time. And especially the last thing here (the possibility of my opponent being the idiot) rescues me from the feeling of humiliation, and I can chill in the conviction that all humans are idiots now and then, and thus giving others some slack, but certainly myself…
Posters on this forum single out Armstronglivs and hang over him like trolls. -They count his posts, as if many posts are a bad thing, or posting on certain hours is bad, or repetition is bad, or being confronting and honest is bad, or being old is bad, potentially being a grandpa is bad, having alternative views are bad, not always being with the majority is bad, +++…
The hilarious thing is that Armstronglivs even maybe thrives with this stupid opposition (I myself think it’s very entertaining) and tackles it superbly..! And it’s also hilarious that some of you, after trying to be utterly mean (Armstronglivs is never mean) by calling for death and “ meaningless life, and nobody likes you”, whine over “being slapped in the face because he called me an idiot”..! Reading that instantly turns on a line from a famous Bob Dylan song, in my head: “…but she cries like a little girl”…
Yes, deliberately annoying people is what any 71 years old should be proud of.
You haven't understood the critique on him at all.
He choose a different style... yeah - are you just serious?
Jakob himself claimed that normally his training would be suited for the longer distance, but not at the end of a long season focused on 1500m/5000m. I have already quoted it for you a half-dozen times. Your notions of what you think is likely is uninformed.
We all know that his training wasn’t so suited for HM at this point. But almost 6 min behind the big guys..?
It is also not a slow time, especially considering the circumstances. It would be a national record in America. Yet you keep saying "really really bad".
There is no doubt that if Jakob had instead trained for a 10K race, that he could run faster -- something comparable to his 5000m quality.
It is a mistake for you to keep insisting that these 10K and half-marathon times mean anything more than a race he decided to run at the last minute, at the end of a long Olympic and Diamond League season focused on 1500m and 5000m.
Jakob’s 10k was so bad that if he had raced peak Cheptegei on the track he would have been lapped comfortably..! Yes even peak 10000m Jakob vs the Ugandan would probably been lapped based on the following: When Jakob ran his best 10k race (Euros xc 2022) he was according to his own team in “monster shape”, and they didn’t of course mean in the 1500m, but in the 10k and above -this was in December. And yes, he won comfortably ahead of a 27.37 guy -with a few seconds…
So here is my analysis of the above mentioned race, it’s context, and what it says about Jakob’s 10k shape even when he is well prepared: First of all; Jakob has said he wants to win races in a dominant way (if he can), but he didn’t. If he was in monster shape he should have won with more than a minute, and not a handful+ seconds. And even more: The course was hilly and must have reminded Jakob of “his worst race ever” (according to himself, before he replaced it with Copenhagen) -a really strong incentive to make a fast and all out strong race, to prove his 2019 xc was just a bad race, and not only winning. And there’s more: In this race he let a guy open up a gap -surely because he was confident to close it in the end, but surely also because he must have thought the pace was fast enough as it was. OK -we don’t know for sure -but all the indications points in one direction…!
Better than the American 10k record? Are you kidding me!? 10k is quite a new event; you must of course check out the US 10000m record, or the Canadian for that matter. And as I previously claimed -every countries have weak NRs now and then. For some years the US was even so bad in the 1500m that the best American born athlete ever was slower than two Norwegians from the same family (that hadn’t even taken out their potential in the event, that also maybe wasn’t their best!) And just a little better than the third (Henrik)…
Do you have anything to say on the thread's topic?
Jakob himself claimed that normally his training would be suited for the longer distance, but not at the end of a long season focused on 1500m/5000m. I have already quoted it for you a half-dozen times. Your notions of what you think is likely is uninformed.
We all know that his training wasn’t so suited for HM at this point. But almost 6 min behind the big guys..?
Have you ever trained seriously, raced a half marathon and misjudged your pace?
Yes, deliberately annoying people is what any 71 years old should be proud of.
You haven't understood the critique on him at all.
He choose a different style... yeah - are you just serious?
Yes, I’m serious. Some of you are so after the man instead of the ball (just like he said in a post) -you are trying to find everything he has been wrong in (we all here are wrong quite a bit now and then, especially when we speculate about the future). F.x Armstronglivs is ridiculed because he didn’t (at some point) think Jakob could break the 3000m WR. -But I f.x didn’t see his 2 mile comming (despite being a huge fan), and although I thought he could do 7:19/20 I didn’t see a 7.17 (and nor did Jakob). So why don’t call Jakob and me likewise stupid as some of you call Arms, just because we didn’t sit with the written results, as you do now..?!
Do you have anything to say on the thread's topic?
This thread is living it’s own life, which in my view isn’t all that bad as long as it is about the athlete it was supposed to be about. But if you want back to the original content why don’t you write something about it?
Have you ever trained seriously, raced a half marathon and misjudged your pace?
It goes without saying that the misjudgement was part of the slow time. But still. And his 10k mark is also a part of the problem. (Meaning: So out of breath after that opening).
Have you ever trained seriously, raced a half marathon and misjudged your pace?
It goes without saying that the misjudgement was part of the slow time. But still. And his 10k mark is also a part of the problem. (Meaning: So out of breath after that opening).
There was a huge acceleration in the second 5k. I agree with alwaaays, Jakob could have run 27:10 with a bit more rest and exact pacing.
Yes, deliberately annoying people is what any 71 years old should be proud of.
You haven't understood the critique on him at all.
He choose a different style... yeah - are you just serious?
Yes, I’m serious. Some of you are so after the man instead of the ball (just like he said in a post) -you are trying to find everything he has been wrong in (we all here are wrong quite a bit now and then, especially when we speculate about the future). F.x Armstronglivs is ridiculed because he didn’t (at some point) think Jakob could break the 3000m WR. -But I f.x didn’t see his 2 mile comming (despite being a huge fan), and although I thought he could do 7:19/20 I didn’t see a 7.17 (and nor did Jakob). So why don’t call Jakob and me likewise stupid as some of you call Arms, just because we didn’t sit with the written results, as you do now..?!
You really haven't understood the criticism.
You compare being little bit wrong in some estimte of the capabilities of some runner with the behaviour of Armstronglivs? Are you - again - just serious?
Jakob’s 10k was so bad that if he had raced peak Cheptegei on the track he would have been lapped comfortably..! Yes even peak 10000m Jakob vs the Ugandan would probably been lapped based on the following: When Jakob ran his best 10k race (Euros xc 2022) he was according to his own team in “monster shape”, and they didn’t of course mean in the 1500m, but in the 10k and above -this was in December. And yes, he won comfortably ahead of a 27.37 guy -with a few seconds…
So here is my analysis of the above mentioned race, it’s context, and what it says about Jakob’s 10k shape even when he is well prepared: First of all; Jakob has said he wants to win races in a dominant way (if he can), but he didn’t. If he was in monster shape he should have won with more than a minute, and not a handful+ seconds. And even more: The course was hilly and must have reminded Jakob of “his worst race ever” (according to himself, before he replaced it with Copenhagen) -a really strong incentive to make a fast and all out strong race, to prove his 2019 xc was just a bad race, and not only winning. And there’s more: In this race he let a guy open up a gap -surely because he was confident to close it in the end, but surely also because he must have thought the pace was fast enough as it was. OK -we don’t know for sure -but all the indications points in one direction…!
Better than the American 10k record? Are you kidding me!? 10k is quite a new event; you must of course check out the US 10000m record, or the Canadian for that matter. And as I previously claimed -every countries have weak NRs now and then. For some years the US was even so bad in the 1500m that the best American born athlete ever was slower than two Norwegians from the same family (that hadn’t even taken out their potential in the event, that also maybe wasn’t their best!) And just a little better than the third (Henrik)…
Jakob's 10K was good enough to be still with the leaders, and good enough to set a national record.
You keep continuing to make the same mistake, trying to analyze this race as if it were not an unimportant race just added at the last minute that he told us that he didn't even know he could finish.
It's not that your analysis is right or wrong, but it is nonsense to even attempt to analyze a race he didn't train for.
We certainly cannot compare this to a 10000m track event, with lights and pacers, going for the world record. It was a half-marathon, where all the leaders crossed 10K at 27:27.
The 10K is a new event? The American 10K record is jointly from 1985 (Mark Nenow) and 2015 (Bernard Lagat).
Jakob himself claimed that normally his training would be suited for the longer distance, but not at the end of a long season focused on 1500m/5000m. I have already quoted it for you a half-dozen times. Your notions of what you think is likely is uninformed.
We all know that his training wasn’t so suited for HM at this point. But almost 6 min behind the big guys..?
That is a good result for someone who wasn't sure he could finish.
Jakob's 10K was good enough to be still with the leaders, and good enough to set a national record.
You keep continuing to make the same mistake, trying to analyze this race as if it were not an unimportant race just added at the last minute that he told us that he didn't even know he could finish.
It's not that your analysis is right or wrong, but it is nonsense to even attempt to analyze a race he didn't train for.
We certainly cannot compare this to a 10000m track event, with lights and pacers, going for the world record. It was a half-marathon, where all the leaders crossed 10K at 27:27.
The 10K is a new event? The American 10K record is jointly from 1985 (Mark Nenow) and 2015 (Bernard Lagat).
Looks like we have reached a repeat modus here. So only to the “new” thing when it comes to road races: What I meant was that because of the shoes, money and focus there’s quite a development in the 5k/10k + the other road races right now. And being with the leaders less than half of a distance isn’t impressing given the context in my view. But you may find it good and promising, whereas I don’t. But changes in mindset and training might of course give changes in performance…
You compare being little bit wrong in some estimte of the capabilities of some runner with the behaviour of Armstronglivs? Are you - again - just serious?
You didn’t understand that I said some of you insult him severely f.x for not having the same understanding of Jakob’s capabilities as yourselves, whereas you cry out when he insults you. But as I said if someone will make a running forum to be about these things -fine by me. I can engage once in a while, but mostly not…
It goes without saying that the misjudgement was part of the slow time. But still. And his 10k mark is also a part of the problem. (Meaning: So out of breath after that opening).
There was a huge acceleration in the second 5k. I agree with alwaaays, Jakob could have run 27:10 with a bit more rest and exact pacing.
If that is the case then Gressier and Daguinos have a big opportunity to beat Jakob at these Euro XC right ?
Since Gressier ran 26:58 and Daguinos just ran a 27:04.
If he wasn't going "all-out" for 10k he did a good impression of it, by being completely winded at that stage and being forced to a walk. I doubt he has another 30 secs in him. He has shown that in the 5k, where he hasn't got any faster in 3 years. He sure as hell doesn't have another 15 secs up his sleeve over that distance.
He hasn't gotten any faster in the 5k because he hasn't tried to. That 12:48 5000 he did in 2021 was the last time he did a non-championship 5k, because he's been trying to focus strictly on the 1500m while he's still in his prime, even then. You think a guy who broke BOTH of Daniel Komen's records by a large margin couldn't drop below 12:40 in the 5000m? You're tripping.
As for the Half Marathon, he had very little aerobic training beforehand. He ran the 5000m at the Olympics a month earlier and then 3 1500ms and 7:17.55 3000m WR. Does that sound like proper HM Training? He also ran 3:30 1500m less than 48 hours before the race. His body was conditioned for Middle Distance Training.
Hasn't "tried"? In 3 years. He only "tries" with the shorter distances. The reason is fairly obvious. So he wasn't "trying" in the HM - when he was forced to a walk - and it's a lot further than a 5k? You fans live on another planet.
If he wasn't going "all-out" for 10k he did a good impression of it, by being completely winded at that stage and being forced to a walk. I doubt he has another 30 secs in him. He has shown that in the 5k, where he hasn't got any faster in 3 years. He sure as hell doesn't have another 15 secs up his sleeve over that distance.
What do you think he could have run in a 10k on that day?
No different training before but no 1500m DL final 36 hours before, good pacing in a pure 10k time trial.
Not 26:57, OK (I agree on this for this day, but not for his career). But obviously faster than 27:27.
How fast? I would say around 27:10.
Maybe. Maybe not. But either way he won't be world class over the distance.
Says the guy who has just reached 35,000 posts. 1,000 in the last 30 days. hahahaha
Have a great evening.
I am not a general defender of Armstronglivs -he and I disagree in a lot of things, and we have also chosen different posting styles, for now…
But here’s some more of how I view the quarrels on these threads: “Arms” likes to remind people that he thinks doping is prevalent and f.x that he thinks part of Jakob’s problem is that he is an egotist and a narcissist. And Arms knows he annoys people with that constant repetition, and also that he has a low threshold for insults and generally calling other poster for idiots, or at least their posts for bs…
But what’s wrong with the above mentioned behaviour..? -On the contrary; I think his way of posting serves a higher good: He forces his opponents to realise that one of the values of a public discussion forum is to accept opinions and style that is different from our own. And as posters on a forum “that is only sport/athletics” I think we all got an opportunity to grow by finding methods to swallow things without feelings of being humiliated or the need of revenge. Yes, maybe we could laugh a little, an even appreciate our opponents sarcasm and sometimes very well shaped sentences and points…
I don’t mind if Armstronglivs choose to call me an idiot, because he might even be right. -I’m not perfect, and as humans we clearly are idiots -just take a look on the world we have created..!
My wife frequently calls me an idiot, and since she is exceptionally intelligent I have learned quite a lot from that. But she’s not always right; sometimes it is she that struggles cognitively, because feelings or misunderstandings enter the arena, and then intelligence solves very little (in the heat of the moment)… Likewise with an opponent poster on Let’srun: Arms can be right, or maybe I’m only partially an idiot (and got some very good things in the part where I’m not being wrong), or he is the one that is the idiot this time. And especially the last thing here (the possibility of my opponent being the idiot) rescues me from the feeling of humiliation, and I can chill in the conviction that all humans are idiots now and then, and thus giving others some slack, but certainly myself…
Posters on this forum single out Armstronglivs and hang over him like trolls. -They count his posts, as if many posts are a bad thing, or posting on certain hours is bad, or repetition is bad, or being confronting and honest is bad, or being old is bad, potentially being a grandpa is bad, having alternative views are bad, not always being with the majority is bad, +++…
The hilarious thing is that Armstronglivs even maybe thrives with this stupid opposition (I myself think it’s very entertaining) and tackles it superbly..! And it’s also hilarious that some of you, after trying to be utterly mean (Armstronglivs is never mean) by calling for death and “ meaningless life, and nobody likes you”, whine over “being slapped in the face because he called me an idiot”..! Reading that instantly turns on a line from a famous Bob Dylan song, in my head: “…but she cries like a little girl”…
"Cries like a little girl" - they don't want to hear that. You will be lumped into the same category of undesirables as me.