Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

agip wrote:

Smorbun wrote:

You are correct. General fear and anxiety from voters translates to more votes for the challenger. There is currently nothing that suggests Trump has a snowball's chance in hell of winning this election.

jeebers. He had at best a 1/3 chance of winning last time and he won.

So yeah, there is a snowball's chance that he wins this time.

The ?pole curse has been passed on to Sourpole.

KAG2020

well, do both obviously. Why not.

Although I'm not sure how you cajole rich people into spending. Sales tax holidays maybe? But that would cut city tax revenue at a very very bad time.

Maybe TX and FL are doing just that - opening fast, trying to get rich people to spend. We'll see how that ends up.

Oops.

"It doesn't matter. Perception and control of the narrative is key here."

What does that mean? Trump has tried to convince people that the pandemic is over, but even his base didn't want to attend his rally.

But Trump doesn’t know Ghislaine.

semsurrrrrrrrr wrote:

https://theweek.com/articles/883818/epstein-conspiracy-theorists-have-conveniently-forgotten-about-trump

Oops.

https://images.app.goo.gl/ZX6Neh8QvTEZqKr5Ahttps://images.app.goo.gl/p9qi7UDiBM9oEiMv6https://images.app.goo.gl/V4TZKST4WU931B9n7

Oops.

Slick Willy flew at least 26 times on the Lolita Express between 2001-2003.

agip wrote:

Well I didn't really want to go there, but restaurant and hotel workers are a low-paid lot...losing their incomes isn't a fatal blow to the economy. They'll get unemployment and will struggle on.

First of all, a high quantity of people not working is very bad for the overall economy.

Secondly, states are running out of money to fund unemployment claims.

They have to borrow from the federal government to pay the claims.

The federal government issues more debt to lend to the states.

And processing claims hasn't gone smoothly.

High earning corporations ultimately get their money off of the backs of the workers, either by their production or their spending.

Every part of the economy is tied together.

L L wrote:

agip wrote:

Well I didn't really want to go there, but restaurant and hotel workers are a low-paid lot...losing their incomes isn't a fatal blow to the economy. They'll get unemployment and will struggle on.

First of all, a high quantity of people not working is very bad for the overall economy.

Secondly, states are running out of money to fund unemployment claims.

They have to borrow from the federal government to pay the claims.

The federal government issues more debt to lend to the states.

And processing claims hasn't gone smoothly.

High earning corporations ultimately get their money off of the backs of the workers, either by their production or their spending.

Every part of the economy is tied together.

agreed.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

semsurrrrrrrrr wrote:

https://theweek.com/articles/883818/epstein-conspiracy-theorists-have-conveniently-forgotten-about-trump

Oops.

https://images.app.goo.gl/ZX6Neh8QvTEZqKr5Ahttps://images.app.goo.gl/p9qi7UDiBM9oEiMv6https://images.app.goo.gl/V4TZKST4WU931B9n7

Oops.

Slick Willy flew at least 26 times on the Lolita Express between 2001-2003.

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2019/08/clinton-painting.jpg?quality=90&strip=all

No oops at all. I’m not a Clinton fan boi. I have no respect for Bill Clinton because of his connection to Epstein and would to see them all arrested and convicted of proved guilty. It’s called consistency and principles Rigged.

Trump has the same connection to Epstein but you don’t care you adore a con man and pervert.

That's basically just a prompt for a freshmen ethics paper on Kantian vs utilitarian ethics. Seems to me that with the number of people reporting making more on unemployment than at work and the $1200 stimulus that lower class got fulfilled to a nontrivial degree. So the real question is regarding how much they should get and for how long, and when does that in and off itself become unethical.

Racket wrote:

By the way, unemployment came in way better than expected at 11%. In my opinion, the will to lock down again is too low and I see more and more states just pushing forward over the next few months. This will have the effect of not only boosting the economy at precisely the right time for Trump, but it will also creating a perception that the first lock down was a terrible idea, brought to you by liberal scientists sticking their noses in politics again.

Not so sure that effect will be so pronounced with an increasing rate of bodies piling up. It actually looks like trump has lost his "touch" as he has been getting crushed in the polls and ratings even as the stock market rebounded. Also, even with momentum we will probably not make up half the jobs that were lost this year.

When hospitals start to get overwhelmed in red states it will lead to panic that cannot be covered up by extra dollars from bars staying open. His base will not change, but likely the ones whose votes matter will be well aware that trump and red state governors have done a horrendous job handling COVID.

The good news is that there is next to zero chance Joe Biden is in Maxwell's little black book.

Trump is, obviously.

I don't think Bill Clinton is much relevant to Biden V. Trump 2020.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

"It doesn't matter. Perception and control of the narrative is key here."

What does that mean? Trump has tried to convince people that the pandemic is over, but even his base didn't want to attend his rally.

Sorry that it isn't clear though. I'm afraid it's really not interesting enough to me to deconstruct further so I'll just have to leave it at that.

L L wrote:

agip wrote:

Well I didn't really want to go there, but restaurant and hotel workers are a low-paid lot...losing their incomes isn't a fatal blow to the economy. They'll get unemployment and will struggle on.

First of all, a high quantity of people not working is very bad for the overall economy.

Secondly, states are running out of money to fund unemployment claims.

They have to borrow from the federal government to pay the claims.

The federal government issues more debt to lend to the states.

And processing claims hasn't gone smoothly.

High earning corporations ultimately get their money off of the backs of the workers, either by their production or their spending.

Every part of the economy is tied together.

No one is disagreeing with this except I'll point out that the US government is borrowing money essentially for free. Every part of the economy is tied together, but some threads are lot smaller than others.

L L wrote:

GDP was down 5.0 percent in Q1 of 2020.

https://www.bea.gov/news/2020/gross-domestic-product-1st-quarter-2020-third-estimate-corporate-profits-1st-quarter-2020

When Q2 is released, the drop is expected to be way worse - 30% or more.

That makes the recession official.

That sets the bar low where a terrible economy in Q3 may still be better than the Q2 numbers.

Still year-to date GDP going into the election will be nasty.

Looking ahead to 2021, Biden will have a mess on his hands.

That Q2 number is going to hit the headlines like a ton of bricks, it will be much worse than a 30% drop. The market has already priced this in so it's old news, but it's a weapon to beat over trump's head.

agip wrote:

The good news is that there is next to zero chance Joe Biden is in Maxwell's little black book.

Trump is, obviously.

I don't think Bill Clinton is much relevant to Biden V. Trump 2020.

Correct.

Rigged doesn’t care he wants Trump to get away with criminal behavior.

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

In times like this, it's the moral and ethical questions that really matter. Government assistance has to go to those who need it most.

Get money in the hands of the lower classes. They will spend all of it. That's a better way to boost the economy than trying to cajole white collar people to spend more.

well, do both obviously. Why not.

Although I'm not sure how you cajole rich people into spending. Sales tax holidays maybe? But that would cut city tax revenue at a very very bad time.

Maybe TX and FL are doing just that - opening fast, trying to get rich people to spend. We'll see how that ends up.

agip, plenty of restaurants in South FL have been open for quite a while. Gyms have also been open for the last month or so- I'm doing my part to spend at both restaurants & at the gym/juice bar. Some restaurant employees have not come back because they rather make more in unemployment benefits than work full-time.

Rigged for Hillary wrote:

I hope the prison guards don't fall asleep and they have working cameras this time. The Clinton's body count keeps rising.

https://nypost.com/2020/07/02/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-associate-arrested/

Say what?

"There were fractures of the left, the right thyroid cartilage and the left hyoid bone," Baden said. "I have never seen three fractures like this in a suicidal hanging."

"So Epstein's taken off suicide watch, the day before he kills himself, his roommate is removed from the cell. The cameras on his tier are not working. The guards fell asleep. It seems almost impossible to think all of those things could happen in that way," Alfonsi said."

And the most important bit of course:

"And Baden said, at this point, he doesn't have all the information needed to make a final conclusion. The Justice Department told the family, they say, that it won't release the video pertaining to the case and additional forensic testing because of the ongoing criminal case against the two guards on duty the night of Epstein's death.

The charges have also silenced the guards themselves. Michael Thomas's attorney Montell Figgins says Thomas still hasn't spoken to investigators or revealed how he, alone, found Epstein's body, a key piece of information in any death investigation.

One member of the Justice Department who has gone on record about the case is Attorney General William Barr. He told reporters in November he personally reviewed surveillance video that showed nobody entered the area where Epstein was held. Sources say he may be talking about surveillance video above the guard area or at the entrance to the Special Housing Unit. But this remains to be seen as the Department of Justice would not comment to 60 Minutes about which cameras were working that night."

agip wrote:

Fat hurts wrote:

In times like this, it's the moral and ethical questions that really matter. Government assistance has to go to those who need it most.

Get money in the hands of the lower classes. They will spend all of it. That's a better way to boost the economy than trying to cajole white collar people to spend more.

well, do both obviously. Why not.

Although I'm not sure how you cajole rich people into spending. Sales tax holidays maybe? But that would cut city tax revenue at a very very bad time.

Maybe TX and FL are doing just that - opening fast, trying to get rich people to spend. We'll see how that ends up.

Agree.