Another protestor shot by federal agents in Minnesota

pupil3142 wrote:

almost boomer wrote:

Correct. I do not believe all undocumented immigrants should be deported. And neither do businessmen/women and politicians from both sides of the isle. There is a lot of bluster from the right as it gets people to the voting booth (immigrant=boogey man), but we know that Trump (and his minions) has hired many undocumented workers at his hotels and resorts. Certain industries really on immigrant labor and those businesses are owned by people on the right and the left. Immigrants contribute greatly to our economy. Look it up. The numbers are astounding. If you truly got your racist wish and they were all deported, it would tank our economy. Americans aren't getting turned away from jobs at the meat plant or in the strawberry fields. Americans don't want those jobs.

And if you're worried about crime, look up crime statistics between US born citizens and immigrants. I'm certainly not afraid of immigrants in my community. I'm more concerned about ignorant, trigger-happy members of MAGA.

So, I think there should be a pathway to citizenship (or legal status) for those already here, working, and contributing to our society regardless of how they got here. I also believe in a strong border. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Speaking of "DEMOCRACY," Petti was practicing his 1st and 2nd Amendment rights before he was murdered.

This is one of the weird things about the left, they like illegal immigrants for two reasons;

1) they vote for the left and, this is the really important thing;

2) you can pay them far less than minium wage.

which is hypocrosy at its finest.

I was in LA with a student green card. applied for a job in a beach front restaurant with some other people, bunch of us got accpetd, but first we all had to go into a side room with the owner who then said; do you have a green card? so i got full wages, his slaves presumably didnt.

The Imperative Voice Real13 wrote:

if you are familiar with 2A history, as life had urbanized, it was not generally viewed as it is today. city and state gun measures were generally ok'd by the supreme court until 2008 and "holder."

the history is fairly racial. the historical pivot point is originally NRA was in favor of gun control so guns were used right. the idea was racist. we don't want black criminals with guns. but when southern dems pivoted to republicans after civil rights, gun culture got popular. they revived the 2A idea you had a right to a gun, which the supreme court didn't approve until 2008. you need a good guy with a gun against a bad one. guess what color the bad one was coded.

there has always been a tension in this theory because they freaked out when, say, the black panthers walked around locked and loaded. we are meant to view one carrying as ok and the other as a threat. which doesn't sound like a consistent legal right, does it?

and you see that tension here. the normal rule is you need some justification for deadly force and that usually means you literally point the thing at the cops. which is why some mass shooters actually survive. mere carrying doesn't suffice.

but now, here, carrying does suffice.

but even that is a red herring as the appearance is the guy's gun had been taken off him before he was shot. at that point the 2A discussion is a distraction. they shot an unarmed man for protecting someone and resisting.

Admin wrote:

You guys have a warped view of culture and the benefits of culture in general. Like, what are you even expecting this answer to be? A list of musicians or something?

I grew up in the city, so my childhood friends were all exactly like me (typical american childhoods) except their home-life had elements of their parent's country. My friend group was a Polish kid, Lithuanian, Chinese, and a Pakistani. This was early 2000s chicago.

As a result, all of us have a better understanding of the international world, history, culture, because you would do things like go to their house and notice that everything is Polish and their dad loves to talk about polish history, for example. Or that information about Pakistan that you learn in passing over the years makes more sense in the context of their culture, for example.

And then some dum dum from work goes on saying some racist bullsht about Polish people, presented as "fact", and you realize how stupid it sounds.

So that's the benefit of knowing people from a different background. That's what they contribute. Also, they're going to be exactly like everyone else within 1 generation. That's another thing people overlook. It's just more proof that the people talking about this sht have never even met someone outside of their cult.

Without immigrants, you end up in a dead end. You cannot fix the brain of a MAGA without this. It's like trying to play chess with a pigeon. No amount of training it prevents it from knocking all the pieces off. Their xenophobia will never go away until they leave their suburbs.

Like, imagine trying to explain a specific engine part and how it functions to a man from 1750 who has never seen a car? That's what it feels like talking to a MAGA about immigrants.

And another thing, this lack of cultural-knowledge really messes with middle-American's financial opportunity. Let me put this in a language you understand. I work a corporate job in NYC doing pretty well. If you're simple minded, you're going to be poor forever. People will laugh at you for even entertaining any political stance that isn't left, even lefter than the Dems (fk the dems). If not, it implies you didn't take any serious classes in college and don't have a complete worldview. If you don't have that, how can you be trusted to do international business, where the real money is? So literally another benefit of them is that they will make you and your family more money (because of the education)

joedlrt wrote:

Admin wrote:

You guys have a warped view of culture and the benefits of culture in general. Like, what are you even expecting this answer to be? A list of musicians or something?

I grew up in the city, so my childhood friends were all exactly like me (typical american childhoods) except their home-life had elements of their parent's country. My friend group was a Polish kid, Lithuanian, Chinese, and a Pakistani. This was early 2000s chicago.

As a result, all of us have a better understanding of the international world, history, culture, because you would do things like go to their house and notice that everything is Polish and their dad loves to talk about polish history, for example. Or that information about Pakistan that you learn in passing over the years makes more sense in the context of their culture, for example.

And then some dum dum from work goes on saying some racist bullsht about Polish people, presented as "fact", and you realize how stupid it sounds.

So that's the benefit of knowing people from a different background. That's what they contribute. Also, they're going to be exactly like everyone else within 1 generation. That's another thing people overlook. It's just more proof that the people talking about this sht have never even met someone outside of their cult.

Without immigrants, you end up in a dead end. You cannot fix the brain of a MAGA without this. It's like trying to play chess with a pigeon. No amount of training it prevents it from knocking all the pieces off. Their xenophobia will never go away until they leave their suburbs.

Like, imagine trying to explain a specific engine part and how it functions to a man from 1750 who has never seen a car? That's what it feels like talking to a MAGA about immigrants.

And another thing, this lack of cultural-knowledge really messes with middle-American's financial opportunity. Let me put this in a language you understand. I work a corporate job in NYC doing pretty well. If you're simple minded, you're going to be poor forever. People will laugh at you for even entertaining any political stance that isn't left, even lefter than the Dems (fk the dems). If not, it implies you didn't take any serious classes in college and don't have a complete worldview. If you don't have that, how can you be trusted to do international business, where the real money is? So literally another benefit of them is that they will make you and your family more money (because of the education)

The big difference is most of those you are talking about came through legal channels and were subject to a vetting process and often quotas. Biden threw that out the door. Are you saying ICE shouldn’t be going after convicted criminals? I am perfectly fine with ICE deporting sex offenders, drunk drivers, spouse and child abusers, murderers, etc.

Again, it’s worth noting Good died trying to impede the deportation of a sex offender and Pretti died trying to impede the deportation of a wife beater. Had the locals been complying with ICE all along, ICE would not have to go out in the community in pursuit of alien criminals, and the collateral arrests would not be taking place. They aren’t targeting minorities. They are targeting convicted criminals. ICE isn’t selective of where the criminals are from. It’s not like they are ignoring Australian or Canadian illegal aliens who have been convicted of a crime.

It just happens that 93.7% of Immigrants convicted of a crime are Hispanic. Asians are the next largest share of illegal immigrants, but rarely commit crimes (roughly 15% of all illegal aliens, but only about 1.5% of convicted aliens). Also, 94.4% of alien criminals are male, do you also consider ICE to discriminate by gender since they are almost exclusively deporting males (you know, all those males traveling alone that Biden and Harris let in the country?).

joedlrt wrote:

Admin wrote:

You guys have a warped view of culture and the benefits of culture in general. Like, what are you even expecting this answer to be? A list of musicians or something?

I grew up in the city, so my childhood friends were all exactly like me (typical american childhoods) except their home-life had elements of their parent's country. My friend group was a Polish kid, Lithuanian, Chinese, and a Pakistani. This was early 2000s chicago.

As a result, all of us have a better understanding of the international world, history, culture, because you would do things like go to their house and notice that everything is Polish and their dad loves to talk about polish history, for example. Or that information about Pakistan that you learn in passing over the years makes more sense in the context of their culture, for example.

And then some dum dum from work goes on saying some racist bullsht about Polish people, presented as "fact", and you realize how stupid it sounds.

So that's the benefit of knowing people from a different background. That's what they contribute. Also, they're going to be exactly like everyone else within 1 generation. That's another thing people overlook. It's just more proof that the people talking about this sht have never even met someone outside of their cult.

Without immigrants, you end up in a dead end. You cannot fix the brain of a MAGA without this. It's like trying to play chess with a pigeon. No amount of training it prevents it from knocking all the pieces off. Their xenophobia will never go away until they leave their suburbs.

Like, imagine trying to explain a specific engine part and how it functions to a man from 1750 who has never seen a car? That's what it feels like talking to a MAGA about immigrants.

And another thing, this lack of cultural-knowledge really messes with middle-American's financial opportunity. Let me put this in a language you understand. I work a corporate job in NYC doing pretty well. If you're simple minded, you're going to be poor forever. People will laugh at you for even entertaining any political stance that isn't left, even lefter than the Dems (fk the dems). If not, it implies you didn't take any serious classes in college and don't have a complete worldview. If you don't have that, how can you be trusted to do international business, where the real money is? So literally another benefit of them is that they will make you and your family more money (because of the education)

The big difference is most of those you are talking about came through legal channels and were subject to a vetting process and often quotas. Biden threw that out the door. Are you saying ICE shouldn’t be going after convicted criminals? I am perfectly fine with ICE deporting sex offenders, drunk drivers, spouse and child abusers, murderers, etc.

Again, it’s worth noting Good died trying to impede the deportation of a sex offender and Pretti died trying to impede the deportation of a wife beater. Had the locals been complying with ICE all along, ICE would not have to go out in the community in pursuit of alien criminals, and the collateral arrests would not be taking place. They aren’t targeting minorities. They are targeting convicted criminals. ICE isn’t selective of where the criminals are from. It’s not like they are ignoring Australian or Canadian illegal aliens who have been convicted of a crime.

It just happens that 93.7% of Immigrants convicted of a crime are Hispanic. Asians are the next largest share of illegal immigrants, but rarely commit crimes (roughly 15% of all illegal aliens, but only about 1.5% of convicted aliens). Also, 94.4% of alien criminals are male, do you also consider ICE to discriminate by gender since they are almost exclusively deporting males (you know, all those males traveling alone that Biden and Harris let in the country?).

almost boomer wrote:

pupil3142 wrote:

This is one of the weird things about the left, they like illegal immigrants for two reasons;

1) they vote for the left and, this is the really important thing;

2) you can pay them far less than minium wage.

which is hypocrosy at its finest.

I was in LA with a student green card. applied for a job in a beach front restaurant with some other people, bunch of us got accpetd, but first we all had to go into a side room with the owner who then said; do you have a green card? so i got full wages, his slaves presumably didnt.

And this where your ignorance gets in the way of a good debate. It's NOT just the left that support immigrant workers, it's both sides of the isle. One just lies to you about it, because they know you'll run to the voting booth scared about immigrants eating the dogs and cats. Do you actually think all the big businesses that rely on immigrant labor are owned by a bunch of liberal hippies?! If so, ignorance doesn't do you justice. Stupidity might be better.