No. You have, by saying the same thing about longer distances where he has yet to show any ability.
Poor reading comprehension on your part. And you seem to have missed the couple of posts where I say I don't think he is better suited for longer distances.
His 10k "record" isnt world class. End of debate. His HM performance is even weaker than that. This from an athlete who has claimed the HM is his "best" distance. Even he doesn't come up with the stupid and nauseating excuses you do.
To be fair, he was not running an all-out 10K. He was definitely only trying to see how long he could hold an elite Half Marathon time for.
You really think a guy with 7:17.55 3000m/7:54.10 Two Miles/12:48.45 5000m would only be able to go under 27:30?
He isn't you. He said his training is suited to the longer distances. If it wasn't he would have said so and probably not even raced those events.
His training is suited to the longer distances. Do you even know what "lactate threshold" is?
If it is suited to longer distances then it was suited to the HM - as he thought. Apparently, he was wrong. Or he simply doesn't have the talent for that distance, whatever the training he does.
His 10k "record" isnt world class. End of debate. His HM performance is even weaker than that. This from an athlete who has claimed the HM is his "best" distance. Even he doesn't come up with the stupid and nauseating excuses you do.
To be fair, he was not running an all-out 10K. He was definitely only trying to see how long he could hold an elite Half Marathon time for.
You really think a guy with 7:17.55 3000m/7:54.10 Two Miles/12:48.45 5000m would only be able to go under 27:30?
Sub 27:00 with a few weeks training minimum.
If he wasn't going "all-out" for 10k he did a good impression of it, by being completely winded at that stage and being forced to a walk. I doubt he has another 30 secs in him. He has shown that in the 5k, where he hasn't got any faster in 3 years. He sure as hell doesn't have another 15 secs up his sleeve over that distance.
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No. You have, by saying the same thing about longer distances where he has yet to show any ability.
Poor reading comprehension on your part. And you seem to have missed the couple of posts where I say I don't think he is better suited for longer distances.
If you said that you would have been agreeing with me. But you aren't. But you don't follow an argument, you only have personal obsessions with another poster.
If he wasn't going "all-out" for 10k he did a good impression of it, by being completely winded at that stage and being forced to a walk. I doubt he has another 30 secs in him. He has shown that in the 5k, where he hasn't got any faster in 3 years. He sure as hell doesn't have another 15 secs up his sleeve over that distance.
He hasn't gotten any faster in the 5k because he hasn't tried to. That 12:48 5000 he did in 2021 was the last time he did a non-championship 5k, because he's been trying to focus strictly on the 1500m while he's still in his prime, even then. You think a guy who broke BOTH of Daniel Komen's records by a large margin couldn't drop below 12:40 in the 5000m? You're tripping.
As for the Half Marathon, he had very little aerobic training beforehand. He ran the 5000m at the Olympics a month earlier and then 3 1500ms and 7:17.55 3000m WR. Does that sound like proper HM Training? He also ran 3:30 1500m less than 48 hours before the race. His body was conditioned for Middle Distance Training.
To be fair, he was not running an all-out 10K. He was definitely only trying to see how long he could hold an elite Half Marathon time for.
You really think a guy with 7:17.55 3000m/7:54.10 Two Miles/12:48.45 5000m would only be able to go under 27:30?
Sub 27:00 with a few weeks training minimum.
If he wasn't going "all-out" for 10k he did a good impression of it, by being completely winded at that stage and being forced to a walk. I doubt he has another 30 secs in him. He has shown that in the 5k, where he hasn't got any faster in 3 years. He sure as hell doesn't have another 15 secs up his sleeve over that distance.
What do you think he could have run in a 10k on that day?
No different training before but no 1500m DL final 36 hours before, good pacing in a pure 10k time trial.
Not 26:57, OK (I agree on this for this day, but not for his career). But obviously faster than 27:27.
Says the guy who has just reached 35,000 posts. 1,000 in the last 30 days. hahahaha
Have a great evening.
I am not a general defender of Armstronglivs -he and I disagree in a lot of things, and we have also chosen different posting styles, for now…
But here’s some more of how I view the quarrels on these threads: “Arms” likes to remind people that he thinks doping is prevalent and f.x that he thinks part of Jakob’s problem is that he is an egotist and a narcissist. And Arms knows he annoys people with that constant repetition, and also that he has a low threshold for insults and generally calling other poster for idiots, or at least their posts for bs…
But what’s wrong with the above mentioned behaviour..? -On the contrary; I think his way of posting serves a higher good: He forces his opponents to realise that one of the values of a public discussion forum is to accept opinions and style that is different from our own. And as posters on a forum “that is only sport/athletics” I think we all got an opportunity to grow by finding methods to swallow things without feelings of being humiliated or the need of revenge. Yes, maybe we could laugh a little, an even appreciate our opponents sarcasm and sometimes very well shaped sentences and points…
I don’t mind if Armstronglivs choose to call me an idiot, because he might even be right. -I’m not perfect, and as humans we clearly are idiots -just take a look on the world we have created..!
My wife frequently calls me an idiot, and since she is exceptionally intelligent I have learned quite a lot from that. But she’s not always right; sometimes it is she that struggles cognitively, because feelings or misunderstandings enter the arena, and then intelligence solves very little (in the heat of the moment)… Likewise with an opponent poster on Let’srun: Arms can be right, or maybe I’m only partially an idiot (and got some very good things in the part where I’m not being wrong), or he is the one that is the idiot this time. And especially the last thing here (the possibility of my opponent being the idiot) rescues me from the feeling of humiliation, and I can chill in the conviction that all humans are idiots now and then, and thus giving others some slack, but certainly myself…
Posters on this forum single out Armstronglivs and hang over him like trolls. -They count his posts, as if many posts are a bad thing, or posting on certain hours is bad, or repetition is bad, or being confronting and honest is bad, or being old is bad, potentially being a grandpa is bad, having alternative views are bad, not always being with the majority is bad, +++…
The hilarious thing is that Armstronglivs even maybe thrives with this stupid opposition (I myself think it’s very entertaining) and tackles it superbly..! And it’s also hilarious that some of you, after trying to be utterly mean (Armstronglivs is never mean) by calling for death and “ meaningless life, and nobody likes you”, whine over “being slapped in the face because he called me an idiot”..! Reading that instantly turns on a line from a famous Bob Dylan song, in my head: “…but she cries like a little girl”…
If he wasn't going "all-out" for 10k he did a good impression of it, by being completely winded at that stage and being forced to a walk. I doubt he has another 30 secs in him. He has shown that in the 5k, where he hasn't got any faster in 3 years. He sure as hell doesn't have another 15 secs up his sleeve over that distance.
He hasn't gotten any faster in the 5k because he hasn't tried to. That 12:48 5000 he did in 2021 was the last time he did a non-championship 5k, because he's been trying to focus strictly on the 1500m while he's still in his prime, even then. You think a guy who broke BOTH of Daniel Komen's records by a large margin couldn't drop below 12:40 in the 5000m? You're tripping.
As for the Half Marathon, he had very little aerobic training beforehand. He ran the 5000m at the Olympics a month earlier and then 3 1500ms and 7:17.55 3000m WR. Does that sound like proper HM Training? He also ran 3:30 1500m less than 48 hours before the race. His body was conditioned for Middle Distance Training.
He prepared for the 1500m and 3000m with very little aerobic training? No wonder he finished 4th in the Paris 1500m.
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His 10k "record" isnt world class. End of debate. His HM performance is even weaker than that. This from an athlete who has claimed the HM is his "best" distance. Even he doesn't come up with the stupid and nauseating excuses you do.
Setting a national record is still a notable achievement, and not "really really bad".
And it comes from an athlete who claimed he was excited to see if he could even finish, coming at the end of a long season focused on 1500m.
I disagree. 27.27 is not a fast time. Yes, Gressier did 27.07 and 26.58 in the 10000m. -So how does this place him on the international scene? Answer: 13th in the Olympics. And no wins even on the very weak European battle ground. And the Europeans that are better than him -Almgren (26.52 -10000m) -didn’t qualify to the Final in his last champs, and even the very strong Ndikumwenayo (26.49) isn’t a global medalist, for now…
Jakob isn’t even the best in Norway (because one really has to include the track times since 10k is an involving event) -the 13.20 guy Sondre Nordstad Moen did NR 27.24 a few years ago, and he clearly isn’t a 10k runner. And I just rewatched Nordås’ typically very bizarre 27.31 race, a 1500m runner far from his best long run shape that was 4 sec shy of Jakob’s time with worse pacing: He seemed to jog over the finish line, more interested in tumbling with his watch than an all out performance. -He must nevertheless have past about five to seven guys in the last hundreds of meters; I don’t know what his problem is -if he is afraid of fatigue or what, but he never seems to be all out in the road races. (When he ran his 5k NR he claimed that he easily could have run 10-12 sec faster, and beaten the ER, and didn’t recognise that he had a guy 5 sec ahead of him..!) And we also get Julian Wanders way ahead of Jakob -what has he done on the international scene..? And now a new European record holder (27.04) who has a 5000m pb some 1/2 minute worse than Jakob.
Conclusion: 27.27 is pedestrian compared to what Jakob has shown in events that isn’t that much shorter -he is very near being the most decorated all time athlete in the neighbouring event. -A guy who claims to be better in the 10 than in the 5. Very near cognitive dissonance if you ask me…
It is also not a slow time, especially considering the circumstances. It would be a national record in America. Yet you keep saying "really really bad".
There is no doubt that if Jakob had instead trained for a 10K race, that he could run faster -- something comparable to his 5000m quality.
It is a mistake for you to keep insisting that these 10K and half-marathon times mean anything more than a race he decided to run at the last minute, at the end of a long Olympic and Diamond League season focused on 1500m and 5000m.
Your arguments are your usual semantic nonsense. "Event specificity" doesn't mean minor variations in track schedules. It means an entirely different programme based on the event in question. That wasn't Lydiard. He used the same basic programme for athletes of all distances. That also appears to be Ingebrigtsen's approach - with less mileage than Lydiard.
You only say "semantic nonsense" when you don't understand the meanings of the words. You are the one who said "minor variations" -- but you are wrong because you don't really understand training, Lydiard or otherwise. The variations are major, and dictated by the targeted event.
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He also disclaimed that before the race, due to a long season focused on training and racing 1500m, when he said he would be excited to see if he could even finish this first test at the longer distance.
He didn't change his training to focus on the 1500. He merely raced those distances with the training he had adopted. How did that make him slower over longer distances, when he said his training was suited to those distances? Indeed, if it wasn't suited - as you and others claim - it is unlikely he would have entered the event, like virtually any other md runner. He didn't enter to walk.
Jakob himself claimed that normally his training would be suited for the longer distance, but not at the end of a long season focused on 1500m/5000m. I have already quoted it for you a half-dozen times. Your notions of what you think is likely is uninformed.
It is also not a slow time, especially considering the circumstances. It would be a national record in America. Yet you keep saying "really really bad".
There is no doubt that if Jakob had instead trained for a 10K race, that he could run faster -- something comparable to his 5000m quality.
It is a mistake for you to keep insisting that these 10K and half-marathon times mean anything more than a race he decided to run at the last minute, at the end of a long Olympic and Diamond League season focused on 1500m and 5000m.
Jakob’s 10k was so bad that if he had raced peak Cheptegei on the track he would have been lapped comfortably..! Yes even peak 10000m Jakob vs the Ugandan would probably been lapped based on the following: When Jakob ran his best 10k race (Euros xc 2022) he was according to his own team in “monster shape”, and they didn’t of course mean in the 1500m, but in the 10k and above -this was in December. And yes, he won comfortably ahead of a 27.37 guy -with a few seconds…
So here is my analysis of the above mentioned race, it’s context, and what it says about Jakob’s 10k shape even when he is well prepared: First of all; Jakob has said he wants to win races in a dominant way (if he can), but he didn’t. If he was in monster shape he should have won with more than a minute, and not a handful+ seconds. And even more: The course was hilly and must have reminded Jakob of “his worst race ever” (according to himself, before he replaced it with Copenhagen) -a really strong incentive to make a fast and all out strong race, to prove his 2019 xc was just a bad race, and not only winning. And there’s more: In this race he let a guy open up a gap -surely because he was confident to close it in the end, but surely also because he must have thought the pace was fast enough as it was. OK -we don’t know for sure -but all the indications points in one direction…!
Better than the American 10k record? Are you kidding me!? 10k is quite a new event; you must of course check out the US 10000m record, or the Canadian for that matter. And as I previously claimed -every countries have weak NRs now and then. For some years the US was even so bad in the 1500m that the best American born athlete ever was slower than two Norwegians from the same family (that hadn’t even taken out their potential in the event, that also maybe wasn’t their best!) And just a little better than the third (Henrik)…
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