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Is The RunningLane Course 5K? Or Is It Short?

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    Ghost of Ward Cleaver

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 8:41am EST
    re: not a name

    not a name wrote:

    I didn't verify, but weren't 3 world records set and didn't 5 guys run faster than any runner in the entire NCAA did for the whole season 10 years ago?

    Possibly, but will they all drop 30 or more in a month or two? When people are really good I know if gets harder to have big time drops, but when almost the whole field has big time drops, you have to be skeptical...

    And almost everyone ran a PR.

    Shouldn't that be the case for guys that are in great shape after their fall build up?

    But Ward still thinks some American high schoolers running faster than the fastest American high schooler is more impressive on a what is clearly a faster XC course?

    It is very impressive how fast the NP guys ran, and many others! When did I ever say what happened at the Running Lanes course was the more impressive than the track records recently set?

    A track is a track but those track results, oh well.

    No. NCAA even has time conversions for some tracks.

    Five guys who have never visited this course want really badly for it to be short rather than telling their kids or athletes or friends that the future of American running looks bright.

    I already know the future of American distance running is bright, and I just want verification of the course length, what's wrong with that? I have stated numerous times that I really hope that course is on. But until it is measured properly, we can only speculate.

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    Ghost of Ward Cleaver

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 8:44am EST
    re: not a name

    not a name wrote:

    I predict that this is the new national championship so we will have a baseline. And I predict that the NP times will dominate that top 10 list 10 years from now.

    Nike Nationals will be back sooner than later and it will not be held in Alabama.

    Next years NP guys, if they stay healthy, will also be very good...

  • not a name

    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 12/20/2021 9:07am EST
    re: Ghost of Ward Cleaver

    NXN is dead.

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    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 12/20/2021 9:11am EST
    re: Ghost of Ward Cleaver

    No. If guys are running their 5k track PR in the fall rather than at nationals in the spring, their coach is a failure. Ncaa guys run this meet on fumes just to knock out a national qualifier so that they can take a break before training to peak at both national meets. And tge winner Hoare is a pro. He is gearing to peak 6 months from now yet he somehow ran a PR. It seems that you only follow high school running.

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    Ghost of Ward Cleaver

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 9:40am EST
    re: not a name

    not a name wrote:

    No.

    Not sure what the "No" is for?

    If guys are running their 5k track PR in the fall rather than at nationals in the spring, their coach is a failure.

    No, a lot of runners make progress over the summer and the fall and coming off CC training can knock out a Lifetime PR, then take their break and cycle back up for their Track season and NCAAs.

    Ncaa guys run this meet on fumes just to knock out a national qualifier so that they can take a break before training to peak at both national meets.

    Yep, but how many are running on fumes that hit the NCAA standards?

    And tge winner Hoare is a pro. He is gearing to peak 6 months from now yet he somehow ran a PR. It seems that you only follow high school running.

    I no longer coach college, so yes I spend the majority of my time focused on the kids I coach. I'm still aware of guys like Ollie who ran at Wisconsin, and is more of a 1500 guy, but the 13:09 is crazy good! How much faster do you think Ollie will ever run in the 5000m?

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    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 12/20/2021 10:56am EST
    re: Ghost of Ward Cleaver

    He will never run faster which means the track had to be short.

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 11:09am EST
    re: not a name

    not a name wrote:

    He will never run faster which means the track had to be short.

    I thought you would say his coach is a failure.

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    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 12/20/2021 11:26am EST
    re: not a name

    not a name wrote:

    NXN is dead.

    Unless you have inside information Nike is canceling it, I don’t see how this happens.

    Thousands will still go to regionals meets, it’s fun and they are well run meets. Very few elites will skip an NXR meet as long as NXN is out there, especially if their non-elite teammates are going. Most teams and individuals who then qualify for a paid trip to NXN will take it over another self funded trip to Alabama.

    What am I missing?

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    Ghost of Ward Cleaver

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 11:59am EST
    re: always looking ahead

    always looking ahead wrote:

    not a name wrote:

    NXN is dead.

    Unless you have inside information Nike is canceling it, I don’t see how this happens.

    Thousands will still go to regionals meets, it’s fun and they are well run meets. Very few elites will skip an NXR meet as long as NXN is out there, especially if their non-elite teammates are going. Most teams and individuals who then qualify for a paid trip to NXN will take it over another self funded trip to Alabama.

    What am I missing?

    Super fast times?

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    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 12/20/2021 12:09pm EST
    re: always looking ahead

    Nike won't continue to pay for teams to go to NXN if the top 20 teams bypass the meet.

  • bald loser

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 1:57pm EST
    re: not a name

    We got our tape measure out yesterday and certified the course at 5003.46 meters.

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    Ghost of Ward Cleaver

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 2:15pm EST
    re: bald loser

    bald loser wrote:

    We got our tape measure out yesterday and certified the course at 5003.46 meters.

    Thanks!

    Were you the one that left the tape measure near the finish line?

    https://www.123rf.com/photo_89024520_building-rouletteon-outdoors-construction-roulette-on-the-land-earth-measurement.html
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    coachy

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 2:29pm EST
    re: bald loser

    bald loser wrote:

    We got our tape measure out yesterday and certified the course at 5003.46 meters.

    How many people and how long did it take? What did you use for SPR?

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    Ghost of Ward Cleaver

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 2:35pm EST
    re: not a name

    not a name wrote:

    Nike won't continue to pay for teams to go to NXN if the top 20 teams bypass the meet.

    Why would the top teams bypass the meet?

  • monguse

    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 12/20/2021 2:50pm EST
    re: Ghost of Ward Cleaver

    Because they will all be at Garmin RunningLane.

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 3:10pm EST
    re: monguse

    monguse wrote:

    Because they will all be at Garmin RunningLane.

    I'll take that bet!

  • monguse

    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 12/20/2021 3:13pm EST
    re: Ghost of Ward Cleaver

    That's what the coaches have been saying. I don't know what Nike could do to make it change.

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    Ghost of Ward Cleaver

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 3:23pm EST
    re: monguse

    Eliminate the mask mandate in Oregon and host the meet like they have in the past.

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    Ghost of Ward Cleaver

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 3:30pm EST
    re: monguse

    From the Nike website:

    For this year only, the 2021 Nike Cross Series will include nine Nike Cross Regional meets – bringing the electric feeling of the Nike Cross National Finals to regions with elevated programming and touchpoints. The schedule and details of the Nike Cross Regionals will be released ahead of each meet, including the first ever California Regional. The Nike Cross Nationals finals in Portland, Oregon will not take place in 2021.

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    coachy

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    3 years ago 12/20/2021 4:01pm EST
    re: Ghost of Ward Cleaver

    Can you tell me how the NXN course is measured? I can't find it on their website.

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