new case drops in Germany. Zero deaths there. Have to trust the germans with data.
In Spain new cases dropped. 1100 today vs over 2000 yesterday. Which is fishy - I suspect that data point is not a good one.Daily death counts rose to 60 from 47 in Spain.
After visiting MAL (Mar-A-Lago), RNC chairwoman Ronna McDaniel is being tested for coronavirus after not feeling well.
agip wrote:
good news out of Italy.
New deaths:
3/14: 175
3/13 250
3/12 189
3/11 196
3/10 168
Obviously too early to draw any conclusions, but the death rate falling is pretty good news.
Nothing good out of Spain or Iran tho
In the US 6 deaths, which is right where the last week has been, plus or minus. not rising, which is good.
The US numbers are less than worthless.
agip wrote:
new case drops in Germany. Zero deaths there. Have to trust the germans with data.
In Spain new cases dropped. 1100 today vs over 2000 yesterday. Which is fishy - I suspect that data point is not a good one.Daily death counts rose to 60 from 47 in Spain.
The day is not over. It seems that Italy is reporting once a day, but others accumulate all day long.
People have been talking about Trump postponing the election, but couldn't the voting be done online? The SS# would be used and the voter's state could be cross-checked with the address on their tax return or their drivers license.
Ciro wrote:
agip wrote:
good news out of Italy.
New deaths:
3/14: 175
3/13 250
3/12 189
3/11 196
3/10 168
Obviously too early to draw any conclusions, but the death rate falling is pretty good news.
Nothing good out of Spain or Iran tho
In the US 6 deaths, which is right where the last week has been, plus or minus. not rising, which is good.
The US numbers are less than worthless.
do you think the US death counts are worthless?
I suppose they cant' test every corpse.
New case data don't mean very much, yes.
But death count? I hope that is somewhat reliable but I don't know.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
People have been talking about Trump postponing the election, but couldn't the voting be done online? The SS# would be used and the voter's state could be cross-checked with the address on their tax return or their drivers license.
Democrats would tend to vote more online the elderly Republicans. Don't expect Trump to allow that to happen.
agip wrote:
Ciro wrote:
The US numbers are less than worthless.
do you think the US death counts are worthless?
I suppose they cant' test every corpse.
New case data don't mean very much, yes.
But death count? I hope that is somewhat reliable but I don't know.
The US numbers are worthless because Trump has classified the data. He has special staff which takes the incoming datasets and they manipulate it. Manipulate it means deciding a coronavirus death was a seasonal flu death. Think whatever you like, but Trump is twisting the numbers for political purposes.
agip wrote:
Ciro wrote:
The US numbers are less than worthless.
do you think the US death counts are worthless?
I suppose they cant' test every corpse.
New case data don't mean very much, yes.
But death count? I hope that is somewhat reliable but I don't know.
What’s the death toil in the US at?
I know one person who has died from it and I’d be shocked if his death was recorded as such.
Ciro wrote:
agip wrote:
do you think the US death counts are worthless?
I suppose they cant' test every corpse.
New case data don't mean very much, yes.
But death count? I hope that is somewhat reliable but I don't know.
What’s the death toil in the US at?
I know one person who has died from it and I’d be shocked if his death was recorded as such.
55 deaths. fewer than 10 per day.
No idea how accurate that is, but I haven't seen anything disputing them.
Which is different from the new case data -that's not much of a tell.
How do you the person died of it? And why is he not listed?
agip wrote:
Ciro wrote:
What’s the death toil in the US at?
I know one person who has died from it and I’d be shocked if his death was recorded as such.
55 deaths. fewer than 10 per day.
No idea how accurate that is, but I haven't seen anything disputing them.
Which is different from the new case data -that's not much of a tell.
How do you the person died of it? And why is he not listed?
55 - what are the odds that I know one person who died from it.
I just don’t believe the numbers here are worth anything, both in terms of testing and deaths.
P wrote:
agip wrote:
I wrote sloppily.
I meant to protest as not 'fact' your insistence that the viral outbreak will continue up the same compound interest line for a long time, despite it not doing that anywhere.
I could go back and show you what you claim is projection and guesses and not 'fact' if you want but I don't really want to.
Please do.
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Look, it's pretty simple. We will certainly "come off the curve." This is a mathematical certainty. The question is when and how. I have quite fairly laid out the options. If you think otherwise, go ahead and show me.
So you are a smart individual and normally when I read your posts I think you have a good handle on things...But for clarification purposes this is where you lost me, I don't mean I'm lost following your train of thought, but that this is where you moved from mathematical facts to prediction and speculation... below is a quote from your post on 4408..
"... Nobody will be outside. And when they are forced outside they will be wearing masks. They will be scared of each other and will cross the street to stay on opposite sides whenever their paths cross.
This is not a possibility.
This is a fact.
A mathematical certainty."
None of that is a mathematical certainty... it is your prediction of what the result of the numbers you are using (which may be very accurate) will lead.
I will repeat no one knows what the future will bring... you could be right or wrong... what I didn't understand is why you thought saying all this was saving lives or whatever your point was.
I have since realized that the arguments going on here about what will happen from Covid-19 are very much like the arguments that happen here when someone claims that runner X (say Jim Ryan) is the GOAT. Several people will jump in and 'prove' why runner X was or wasn't the GOAT... of course, no one will ever know... everyone just wants to prove how smart they are.
The only difference between that and Covid-19 predictions is that we will in fact some day know how this turns out.. and of course at that time you or whomever predicted more correctly can certainly come back and say 'I told you so'....
I have absolutely no idea how this will turn out but I sure as heck hope you are not the one coming back to say I told you so when referring to your page 4408 post that I have listed above.
Best of luck to all... stay healthy!
Have to ask... wrote:
I have . . . realized that the arguments going on here about what will happen from Covid-19 are very much like the arguments that happen here when someone claims that runner X (say Jim Ryan) is the GOAT.
Pretty sure you're referring to Jim Ryun.
lease wrote:
Have to ask... wrote:
I have . . . realized that the arguments going on here about what will happen from Covid-19 are very much like the arguments that happen here when someone claims that runner X (say Jim Ryan) is the GOAT.
Pretty sure you're referring to Jim Ryun.
congrats on getting the point of my post!
Here in Arkansas all our cases our “presumed.” They test positive, send the confirmational second sample to Atlanta, and it never comes back, apparently.
Watching “Dirty Money” on Netflix. An episode on Jared Kushner.
He’s such a scumbag.
No wonder his father in law likes him so much.
He likes to prey on poor people.
jesseriley wrote:
Here in Arkansas all our cases our “presumed.” They test positive, send the confirmational second sample to Atlanta, and it never comes back, apparently.
That information is classified by Trump as "Tip Top-Top Super Double Secrets: Eyes Only of Jared Kushner".
Ciro wrote:
I just don’t believe the numbers here are worth anything, both in terms of testing and deaths.
I agree that the US numbers are worthless for a few reasons but, if the Trump admin is cooking the books, it will come out clearly when facilities get over run by patients....assuming that happens.
Have to ask... wrote:
P wrote:
Please do.
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Look, it's pretty simple. We will certainly "come off the curve." This is a mathematical certainty. The question is when and how. I have quite fairly laid out the options. If you think otherwise, go ahead and show me.
So you are a smart individual and normally when I read your posts I think you have a good handle on things...But for clarification purposes this is where you lost me, I don't mean I'm lost following your train of thought, but that this is where you moved from mathematical facts to prediction and speculation... below is a quote from your post on 4408..
"... Nobody will be outside. And when they are forced outside they will be wearing masks. They will be scared of each other and will cross the street to stay on opposite sides whenever their paths cross.
This is not a possibility.
This is a fact.
A mathematical certainty."
None of that is a mathematical certainty... it is your prediction of what the result of the numbers you are using (which may be very accurate) will lead.
I will repeat no one knows what the future will bring... you could be right or wrong... what I didn't understand is why you thought saying all this was saving lives or whatever your point was.
I have since realized that the arguments going on here about what will happen from Covid-19 are very much like the arguments that happen here when someone claims that runner X (say Jim Ryan) is the GOAT. Several people will jump in and 'prove' why runner X was or wasn't the GOAT... of course, no one will ever know... everyone just wants to prove how smart they are.
The only difference between that and Covid-19 predictions is that we will in fact some day know how this turns out.. and of course at that time you or whomever predicted more correctly can certainly come back and say 'I told you so'....
I have absolutely no idea how this will turn out but I sure as heck hope you are not the one coming back to say I told you so when referring to your page 4408 post that I have listed above.
Best of luck to all... stay healthy!
1) I love your posts. I mean that in all sincerity. Your criticisms are fair.
2) I absolutely, positively agree with you that I hope I will NEVER be in a position to say "I told you so" on this one. I am literally praying every day that I am wrong.
Best of luck to you as well. And everyone else on here. And to all of your families. We are all going to need it.
Someone started a thread on this topic (yes, I know there are many) with the right starting point and with apparently many people who get what is going on posting. Worth a look if you are interested.