2:19 on 70-80 miles per week.

I mean with all due respect Sage, this thread/saga would be completely boring and uninformative if Phil/JS were just chronicling a guy running 90-110 mpw and trying to run an OTQ. That's garden-variety and pretty much what the herd does.

Phil running 60-75 mpw and doing very efficient and approachable workouts ( fluid 400s and 1Ks based on heartrate) is pretty damn replicable for all us hobbyjoggers who don't have 12 hours a week to run, or aren't the overachievers featured on Runner's World who balance medical school and 100 mile weeks. So, let's see how it plays out — as training isn't an exact science, instead of quibbling with what makes it different when that is what makes it actually interesting.

I ran PB:s 14:20 / 29:51. The Hansons could need a superior coach with a system that have a better layout and outcome. :) Phil has a very good talent that with my system will reach at least sub 2:15 in the future. I have my own thoughts about further limits for him , but that I keep to myself.I have my Art of coaching reference frames. Good day ! :)

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Showed is set wrote:

JS all this comes down to Sunday. Don't come back on here with excuse after excuse on Sunday. The pressure is on you not Phil Sunday.

Did you know that to do your best performance you need a little bit positive pressure?. And I promise to not write any excuses if there won't be any pertinent... :) This is ( agreement between me and Phil) a never ending story and many more exciting races to come . Cheers! Good day! :)

And will you promise to admit that you aren't as knowledgeable about running as you claim to be? It doesn't matter the proof will be in Sunday results.

You no name JOKE. You are calling out the Hansons?

HRE wrote:

Why do you think JS needs to prove anything to you? He's been on many threads here promoting his system. He has every right to do that. Many people are skeptical. They have every right to be, as do you. Some are intrigued and Phil decided to take JS up on his offer to coach him in his shot at 2:19. They have every right to do that. Many of us here have been interested in what will happen. But while you have the right to express your skepticism the way you're doing it seems like axe grinding and your continual demands that JS "prove it" to your satisfaction seems really entitled. You're not going to get what you want here no matter how big a tantrum you throw. A mature person would accept that and move on.

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Merry Christmas to you HRE!

Fun thread, would love to track Phil live.. can someone please tell me Phil's name so I can track CIM live results on Sunday?

Thanks!

Will you wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Did you know that to do your best performance you need a little bit positive pressure?. And I promise to not write any excuses if there won't be any pertinent... :) This is ( agreement between me and Phil) a never ending story and many more exciting races to come . Cheers! Good day! :)

And will you promise to admit that you aren't as knowledgeable about running as you claim to be? It doesn't matter the proof will be in Sunday results.

LoL! ))) I think I know who you are... or at least I recognize your "type" of person ... ;) Have a good day! Cheers! :)

Just Jumping In wrote:

Fun thread, would love to track Phil live.. can someone please tell me Phil's name so I can track CIM live results on Sunday?

Thanks!

Philip Richert. I’m not sure what my number is yet.

All the smoke screens but Sunday will tell the truth.

Will you wrote:

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

There is one thing for sure! :) You will disappear from this thread if Phil breaks 2:19, lol ))))

JS, you should not be permitted back on the boards if Phil goes home devastated. 2:19 or bust. If he runs 2:25 or something worse, l hope the front page reads JS goes home devastated! You are a fraud!

Being age 60 now I will teach you a wisdom.... :) Never wish for your neighbors adversity,ìt just beats you back!.... )))) :)

Whether Phil runs 2:19 or not on Sunday is cool but not really the point IMO. The experiment is already a success. Going from unfit to pretty fit, enjoying running and having a manageable training schedule that fits Phil’s life in about 6 months.

Phil - if you, excuse me, when you break 2:19 this Sunday, will you also run the trials?

If not (or maybe even if you do) will you have an indoor/outdoor track season? Give it another few months and I can see you sub-14. Might as well go after a sub-4 mile too. Age is just a number. Nothing is impossible.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Will you wrote:

JS, you should not be permitted back on the boards if Phil goes home devastated. 2:19 or bust. If he runs 2:25 or something worse, l hope the front page reads JS goes home devastated! You are a fraud!

Being age 60 now I will teach you a wisdom.... :) Never wish for your neighbors adversity,ìt just beats you back!.... )))) :)

All this BS Sunday is the day you have said. If Phil doesn't hit the mark you are a fraud/ end of story!@

HRE! ..The man! Thanks! :) wrote:

HRE wrote:

Why do you think JS needs to prove anything to you? He's been on many threads here promoting his system. He has every right to do that. Many people are skeptical. They have every right to be, as do you. Some are intrigued and Phil decided to take JS up on his offer to coach him in his shot at 2:19. They have every right to do that. Many of us here have been interested in what will happen. But while you have the right to express your skepticism the way you're doing it seems like axe grinding and your continual demands that JS "prove it" to your satisfaction seems really entitled. You're not going to get what you want here no matter how big a tantrum you throw. A mature person would accept that and move on.

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Merry Christmas to you HRE!

Same to you and with a Happy New Year thrown in.

S. Canaday wrote:

Coach JS you also hinted that Phil could eventaully run "2:15 or so" (if you continue working with him or something?).

I don't mean to be critical, I'm just looking at the numbers/data and training and racing projections.

I'm just wondering where this 2:15 time comes from? The OTQ at 2:19:00 is already a great goal....but again there is a big difference between a 2:19:00 guy and a 2:15:00 guy (At least in my experience and training with my Hansons teammates who many topped out right at 2:14-2:15).

If Phil runs 2:19 this quickly after a 7 year hiatus in marathon training I don't think it's inconceivable that he could reach 2:15 in the next few years.

But then again I haven't even run close to those times (2:33 pb), so you're clearly more qualified than me to give an informed opinion on this.

I have looked over the whole thing. JS has worked with Phil starting somewhere around July of this year. The goal was CMI all along. Notice that Phil didn't just take up running recently. Enough time has passed that the true evaluation of JS methods should take place at CMI. Phil should have a natural inprovment in his running, but with JS and all his questionable sessions this will be the true evaluation. No if, and, or buts.

Below Average wrote:

Just Jumping In wrote:

Fun thread, would love to track Phil live.. can someone please tell me Phil's name so I can track CIM live results on Sunday?

Thanks!

Philip Richert. I’m not sure what my number is yet.

You are Bib No. 8680!

Good luck Phil! This thread has been great to follow and I hope it will continue after CIM as well.

Good luck Phil your going to crush it.

Good luck Phil ...and Jan.

I hope you'll be happy with the race.

You can run with confidence that you had a great preparation.