You cherry pick things Jakob are saying, without evaluating the context, and without citing all the contradictory things he has also said. -You seem to think you are objective and don’t interpret, but you do, and seem to miss that you must consider all Jakob’s sayings, and balance them in a totality…
You rightly point out that what others think about his “build” doesn’t change a thing. -I just mentioned the pod cast because you started your post with WTH, as I was the only person in the world that could think that Jakob overestimated his own HM abilities. But here we have two guys that think Jakob can break the 5000m WR, but struggle to see him as a distance guy (because of Copenhagen). It’s a valid point I think, because it says a couple of things about the expectations Jakob voluntarily has given about his best distance, and how some people now try to get it down to earth…
You say I am cherry picking what he says without evaluating the context. I think you've got our roles reversed as you are the one swapping contexts to attempt to fabricate a contradiction. His statements before the race were the only ones made in the context of that race. His statements made in March or elsewhere were not. I am evaluating what he says in the context they were made, while you are extracting all these other things said in other contexts, creating false expectations, and trying to apply them to Copenhagen.
You think I fail to cite contradictory things, but this is also wrong. First, I repeatedly acknowledged his statements from March, and second, I don't see any contradictions when, as you say, considering all the statements in their proper context and balancing them in totality. His best event may still be the half-marathon -- we have to wait and see what he can do when he tries to peak and gets into an ideally paced race in ideal conditions. But the right time to evaluate that is not at the end of a long season focused on 1500m/5000m.
I said WTH heck because you keep saying he ran a bad race, committing the error you accuse me of -- not considering context and not balanced in totality. That means considering he is at the end of an Olympic and Diamond League season, that was focused on the 1500m/5000m, and jumped into a half-marathon at the last minute without any half-marathon preparation.
What would I expect from such an athlete, who makes a last minute addition to jump into a half-marathon, as a first test? If he wanted to see how long he can stay with the leaders, I would say that keeping with the leaders for 10K, and then still jogging it in at 3:15/km pace is not a bad effort, but realistically about as good as we should expect. Given the focus on 1500m/5000m, it is unsurprising that a 27:27 effort to 10K, while trying to stick with the leaders, was above his current ability. This is not a bad race, or a humuliation, but a valuable experience in a race of no real importance to him.
You don't understand Lydiard. He didn't advocate event specificity for md and distance runners. He trained an 800m runner the same way he trained a 5k-10k or marathon runner. Endurance base, hill work and sharpening phases.
What has Ingebrigtsen done that shows the HM is his "best" distance, as he claims?
Your talk about how Ingebrigtsen would have seen his performance, and the satisfaction you claim he took from it, is purely fanciful. He has said words to the effect it was one of the most painful races he has ever run.
Apparently you don't understand Lydiard nor event specificity. Lydiard's "track training" and "coordination phases" are specific to the athlete and his event(s).
Some of Ingebrigtsen's claims, e.g. what his best event is, remain to be seen and evaluated at the end of his career.
I evaluate Ingebrigtsen's performance based on the best we can expect from any 1500m/5000m athlete who jumped in a half-marathon at the end of a long season. It was not bad or humiliating, but he did just about the best I would have expected from anyone who did not train to race for 1 hour, and decided to stick with the leaders. He also exceeded his own explicitly stated expectations.
You say I am cherry picking what he says without evaluating the context. I think you've got our roles reversed as you are the one swapping contexts to attempt to fabricate a contradiction. His statements before the race were the only ones made in the context of that race. His statements made in March or elsewhere were not. I am evaluating what he says in the context they were made, while you are extracting all these other things said in other contexts, creating false expectations, and trying to apply them to Copenhagen.
You think I fail to cite contradictory things, but this is also wrong. First, I repeatedly acknowledged his statements from March, and second, I don't see any contradictions when, as you say, considering all the statements in their proper context and balancing them in totality. His best event may still be the half-marathon -- we have to wait and see what he can do when he tries to peak and gets into an ideally paced race in ideal conditions. But the right time to evaluate that is not at the end of a long season focused on 1500m/5000m.
I said WTH heck because you keep saying he ran a bad race, committing the error you accuse me of -- not considering context and not balanced in totality. That means considering he is at the end of an Olympic and Diamond League season, that was focused on the 1500m/5000m, and jumped into a half-marathon at the last minute without any half-marathon preparation.
What would I expect from such an athlete, who makes a last minute addition to jump into a half-marathon, as a first test? If he wanted to see how long he can stay with the leaders, I would say that keeping with the leaders for 10K, and then still jogging it in at 3:15/km pace is not a bad effort, but realistically about as good as we should expect. Given the focus on 1500m/5000m, it is unsurprising that a 27:27 effort to 10K, while trying to stick with the leaders, was above his current ability. This is not a bad race, or a humuliation, but a valuable experience in a race of no real importance to him.
Your post here is totally OK, with two exceptions:
1. When you consider something in context you have to take more than one context to reach the balance in a totality. You can’t skip a context / claim because it’s “old” as long as it’s not refuted by the claimer.
2. I think 27.27/63.13 were a humiliation (but only because of the expectations / Jakob’s “old” claims) -I would have expected (and I very much think Jakob too) something faster, or that he held longer, especially based on a good 5000m shape. -I have no proof of Jakob expecting a better shape, but I think him saying it was hell is an indication. -I don’t think he expected hell ; blowing up (late in t he race) is something else. You don’t blow up so catastrophically before mid ways -that is just a totally misjudgment in my opinion, that gave even swaying later in the race. But we can of course not be totally sure, because 10k NR was obviously one of his B plans…
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Your post here is totally OK, with two exceptions:
1. When you consider something in context you have to take more than one context to reach the balance in a totality. You can’t skip a context / claim because it’s “old” as long as it’s not refuted by the claimer.
2. I think 27.27/63.13 were a humiliation (but only because of the expectations / Jakob’s “old” claims) -I would have expected (and I very much think Jakob too) something faster, or that he held longer, especially based on a good 5000m shape. -I have no proof of Jakob expecting a better shape, but I think him saying it was hell is an indication. -I don’t think he expected hell ; blowing up (late in t he race) is something else. You don’t blow up so catastrophically before mid ways -that is just a totally misjudgment in my opinion, that gave even swaying later in the race. But we can of course not be totally sure, because 10k NR was obviously one of his B plans…
I do not skip the old claim because it is old, but because Jakob himself temporarily "disclaimed" his claims, citing the abnormality of the situation: "Normally this is a distance that would suit my training very well but after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it’s exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line!"
Given that he lowered his own expectations, and that the leaders also only went through 10K at ~27:27, his 10K (national record) is not humiliating in the least, and his race execution is one that makes perfectly reasonable sense, to see how long he can stick with the leaders and to gain experience at this longest distance.
Do you think that he expected heaven after expressly doubting whether he could even finish?
I think you are still way overthinking this, and trying to read too much into this race, and placing far too much weight on comments made elsewhere and elsewhen, which Jakob himself expressly discounted.
Your post here is totally OK, with two exceptions:
1. When you consider something in context you have to take more than one context to reach the balance in a totality. You can’t skip a context / claim because it’s “old” as long as it’s not refuted by the claimer.
2. I think 27.27/63.13 were a humiliation (but only because of the expectations / Jakob’s “old” claims) -I would have expected (and I very much think Jakob too) something faster, or that he held longer, especially based on a good 5000m shape. -I have no proof of Jakob expecting a better shape, but I think him saying it was hell is an indication. -I don’t think he expected hell ; blowing up (late in t he race) is something else. You don’t blow up so catastrophically before mid ways -that is just a totally misjudgment in my opinion, that gave even swaying later in the race. But we can of course not be totally sure, because 10k NR was obviously one of his B plans…
I do not skip the old claim because it is old, but because Jakob himself temporarily "disclaimed" his claims, citing the abnormality of the situation: "Normally this is a distance that would suit my training very well but after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it’s exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line!"
Given that he lowered his own expectations, and that the leaders also only went through 10K at ~27:27, his 10K (national record) is not humiliating in the least, and his race execution is one that makes perfectly reasonable sense, to see how long he can stick with the leaders and to gain experience at this longest distance.
Do you think that he expected heaven after expressly doubting whether he could even finish?
I think you are still way overthinking this, and trying to read too much into this race, and placing far too much weight on comments made elsewhere and elsewhen, which Jakob himself expressly discounted.
You’re reading a lot into the race yourself. That he set a 10K NR, that he wanted to see how long he could stay with the leaders, and gain some experience, does not turn a bad race into a good one.
Maybe he can run a fast HM someday, but it sure doesn’t look like it after Copenhagen.
I do not skip the old claim because it is old, but because Jakob himself temporarily "disclaimed" his claims, citing the abnormality of the situation: "Normally this is a distance that would suit my training very well but after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it’s exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line!"
Given that he lowered his own expectations, and that the leaders also only went through 10K at ~27:27, his 10K (national record) is not humiliating in the least, and his race execution is one that makes perfectly reasonable sense, to see how long he can stick with the leaders and to gain experience at this longest distance.
Do you think that he expected heaven after expressly doubting whether he could even finish?
I think you are still way overthinking this, and trying to read too much into this race, and placing far too much weight on comments made elsewhere and elsewhen, which Jakob himself expressly discounted.
I think you have earned a point or two from me by the reasoning and cite in your first paragraph here. But I don’t fully buy Jakob’s “revision” in the cite -he is clearly uncertain about how the race will turn out (I have admitted to that in prior posts) and needs to pose some reservations to be on the safe side. But that doesn’t mean that he not also thinks, being lucky, that he can do f.x 57.20 -if everything aligns…
So I think he has at least two thoughts at the same time (blowing up, or WR/win) since he has no experience about his HM capacity based on training/races. And the “excuse” he poses pre race seems to be little thought through since it’s quite un precise, and frankly a little wrong: 1. It hasn’t been a long season (he obviously races the HM because he feels, correctly, that it has been a short season, relatively to 2022/2023).
2. And he also over does the focus on the 1500m in the cite. -He clearly also has focused on the 3 and 5000m. So what I think he meant, if he had thought it through, was that he might be leggy because of only 36 hours rest. And of course that he hadn’t prepared for the HM. And that he has had a tight program. But most of all I think he unconsciously also was marked of a un acknowledged fear (about being bad in the 10k/HM) because I think he hasn’t processed properly the extreme consequences of his extreme bad performance in the U20 8k xc in 2019. And I think all these things were so difficult for Jakob to go into, so he clung to the strange “long season” instead…
So some even more radical words from me (I don’t write here for the upvotes, but for my concern when it comes to Jakob and distance running): If Jakob had run in Cheptegei’s 10000m WR race, I think he might have done 27.40 or worse because of lack of drafting. And now we are talking about a guy many have predicted to go sub 26. And I also think there’s little reason why he shouldn’t be in good 10k shape in September, given his strength based way of doing the track events. So I am concerned. -If he just had said he had a very bad day in Copenhagen I wouldn’t have posted at all. But his 10k is B elite, and his HM borderline hobby jogging (even with a 62 flat that I think he could have done unpaced with a conservative opening)… So I really really hope he had a really really bad day in Copenhagen…
You’re reading a lot into the race yourself. That he set a 10K NR, that he wanted to see how long he could stay with the leaders, and gain some experience, does not turn a bad race into a good one.
Maybe he can run a fast HM someday, but it sure doesn’t look like it after Copenhagen.
How can setting a national record be considered a bad race?
I'm reading even much more into it than you say. Since actions speak louder than words, I don't place much weight on any of his comments. His pre-race comments simply echo what my expectations would have been beforehand. If Jakob had said nothing (or if I knew nothing of his comments), my arguments would be the same. If a national class athlete who spent the whole season racing 1500m/3000m/5000m decided to run a half-marathon after the end of his season, what would the pre-race conversation be like between him and his coach? What goals would they want to achieve?
I think the top two race scenarios they discuss would be to 1) run conservatively within yourself at your best pace, and target 61-62 minutes, or 2) run aggressively and see how long you can stick with the leaders for the experience. If the race is targeting 58:00, that is 27:30, which would be a national 10K road race record. The first scenario would be the safest, but there is not much more to learn running in no-man's land. He would get a mediocre PB, and place 17th-20th. Given Jakob's aggressive running style and competitive nature, the second scenario seems an obvious choice. Getting a national record would still be a decent consolation prize.
For a 1500m/5000m runner who decides to aggressively stick with the leaders for as long as he can, one likely prediction is that he will not last the whole race. This is nothing to be ashamed of or a cause for humiliation, but rather a lesson to be learned in a race that has no importance in the 2024 season.
If Jakob had run in Cheptegei’s 10000m WR race, I think he might have done 27.40 or worse because of lack of drafting. And now we are talking about a guy many have predicted to go sub 26. And I also think there’s little reason why he shouldn’t be in good 10k shape in September, given his strength based way of doing the track events. So I am concerned. -If he just had said he had a very bad day in Copenhagen I wouldn’t have posted at all. But his 10k is B elite, and his HM borderline hobby jogging (even with a 62 flat that I think he could have done unpaced with a conservative opening)… So I really really hope he had a really really bad day in Copenhagen…
No one is saying Jakob was in his best 10000m shape either -- again he was training for much shorter distances. You do understand that numbers like 1.5 and 3 and 5 are much smaller than 10 and 21.1?
Funny you mention Cheptegei. Let's stick with Cheptegei for comparisons.
If Jakob had jumped into a race similar to Cheptegei's 2019 10K Valencia(26:38), the conversation might have been something like "stick with the leaders for as long as you can; the Norwegian 5K record is 13:24 and you might have a good shot at the leaders pacing you to a national record."
Does everyone remember Cheptegei in 2017 World Cross Country? In a ~10K race, he was leading with 600m to go. The last 600m took 4 minutes, and he slipped from first to 30th. Now that was a "bad race", a severe pace misjudgement, to hot in the heat, etc. Two years later, he came back to win the World Cross Championships, and later that year, set a road 10K record at 26:38. Three years later, he set world records in both 5000m (12:35) and 10000m (26:11).
One "bad race" (assuming a national 10K record is considered "bad" for the sake of discussion) doesn't mean anything two or three years later.
I do not skip the old claim because it is old, but because Jakob himself temporarily "disclaimed" his claims, citing the abnormality of the situation: "Normally this is a distance that would suit my training very well but after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it’s exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line!"
Given that he lowered his own expectations, and that the leaders also only went through 10K at ~27:27, his 10K (national record) is not humiliating in the least, and his race execution is one that makes perfectly reasonable sense, to see how long he can stick with the leaders and to gain experience at this longest distance.
Do you think that he expected heaven after expressly doubting whether he could even finish?
I think you are still way overthinking this, and trying to read too much into this race, and placing far too much weight on comments made elsewhere and elsewhen, which Jakob himself expressly discounted.
I think you have earned a point or two from me by the reasoning and cite in your first paragraph here. But I don’t fully buy Jakob’s “revision” in the cite -he is clearly uncertain about how the race will turn out (I have admitted to that in prior posts) and needs to pose some reservations to be on the safe side. But that doesn’t mean that he not also thinks, being lucky, that he can do f.x 57.20 -if everything aligns…
So I think he has at least two thoughts at the same time (blowing up, or WR/win) since he has no experience about his HM capacity based on training/races. And the “excuse” he poses pre race seems to be little thought through since it’s quite un precise, and frankly a little wrong: 1. It hasn’t been a long season (he obviously races the HM because he feels, correctly, that it has been a short season, relatively to 2022/2023).
2. And he also over does the focus on the 1500m in the cite. -He clearly also has focused on the 3 and 5000m. So what I think he meant, if he had thought it through, was that he might be leggy because of only 36 hours rest. And of course that he hadn’t prepared for the HM. And that he has had a tight program. But most of all I think he unconsciously also was marked of a un acknowledged fear (about being bad in the 10k/HM) because I think he hasn’t processed properly the extreme consequences of his extreme bad performance in the U20 8k xc in 2019. And I think all these things were so difficult for Jakob to go into, so he clung to the strange “long season” instead…
So some even more radical words from me (I don’t write here for the upvotes, but for my concern when it comes to Jakob and distance running): If Jakob had run in Cheptegei’s 10000m WR race, I think he might have done 27.40 or worse because of lack of drafting. And now we are talking about a guy many have predicted to go sub 26. And I also think there’s little reason why he shouldn’t be in good 10k shape in September, given his strength based way of doing the track events. So I am concerned. -If he just had said he had a very bad day in Copenhagen I wouldn’t have posted at all. But his 10k is B elite, and his HM borderline hobby jogging (even with a 62 flat that I think he could have done unpaced with a conservative opening)… So I really really hope he had a really really bad day in Copenhagen…
The fixation of yours and theeveenmuchmorecuriousdude on a single race and some quote is astonishing.
How can setting a national record be considered a bad race?
I'm reading even much more into it than you say. Since actions speak louder than words, I don't place much weight on any of his comments. His pre-race comments simply echo what my expectations would have been beforehand. If Jakob had said nothing (or if I knew nothing of his comments), my arguments would be the same. If a national class athlete who spent the whole season racing 1500m/3000m/5000m decided to run a half-marathon after the end of his season, what would the pre-race conversation be like between him and his coach? What goals would they want to achieve?
I think the top two race scenarios they discuss would be to 1) run conservatively within yourself at your best pace, and target 61-62 minutes, or 2) run aggressively and see how long you can stick with the leaders for the experience. If the race is targeting 58:00, that is 27:30, which would be a national 10K road race record. The first scenario would be the safest, but there is not much more to learn running in no-man's land. He would get a mediocre PB, and place 17th-20th. Given Jakob's aggressive running style and competitive nature, the second scenario seems an obvious choice. Getting a national record would still be a decent consolation prize.
For a 1500m/5000m runner who decides to aggressively stick with the leaders for as long as he can, one likely prediction is that he will not last the whole race. This is nothing to be ashamed of or a cause for humiliation, but rather a lesson to be learned in a race that has no importance in the 2024 season.
All you are writing in this post is very reasonable, if Jakob was a 1500/3000/5000m guy, who in the end of a long season impulsively would get some fun experience in an very off event -HM. Pretty much the same that Kerr has done twice; he even chose an un legitimate down hill course, and didn’t care about the competition, because it all was fun, and he knew he even was somewhat impressive in such an off event…
But that isn’t Jakob. -The core of Jakob’s running philosophy is that he is better the longer the distance, now, because of both his talent and training. That doesn’t of course mean that he runs faster in a HM unprepared than in a 3000m, and maybe unrested and leggy, it just means that on a lucky day (where his disadvantages from un preparedness is compensated by excellent weather and drafting, and an overall really good shape, as seen in his recent 1500meters and 3k WR) he could do a HM win or even a WR. But he knows he also could blow up (but only in the last km) because of the supposed exceptionally fast WR pace, and maybe has to sway into a very bad high 58 or even low 59, or at worst really really hit the wall, and copy his comatose “Stoltzekleiven up” and not being able to finish (without help). Or he would just give 10-15 sec to Sawe and Kiplimo the last two k’s. -All that would be fine in my eyes -it’s not now he (un prepared) should break the WR…
Jakob humiliated himself and was a clown in this race. But I really respect him, because he also was a hero, and a hero (that is real) should also always go through humiliation..!
The fixation of yours and theeveenmuchmorecuriousdude on a single race and some quote is astonishing.
Waiting for more!
You are quite right here, I think. -I for my part is very fixated on Jakob because he like me is a Norwegian, and because I find his project extremely unusual and interesting.
And I really like Armstronglivs (and now also rekrunner) who blesses these threads by answering posts and in so many ways gives me reactions I need.
And for the record: I really like and respect a number of runners, f.x a lot of African women who are really tough and likeable, and also from other continents, and African and Americans and European males I don’t root for, but like.
And I’m so narcissistic that I like being seen and answered -even when posters claim that my posts are the worst ever, or when Salvitore calls my frequent posts “your catalogue of unhinged babble” (forced me to think through things a little, and even my answer to him -should I kick him in his balls, or should I modulate my answer..?). Yes even your’s is appreciated..,!
It's his informed guess. He may be right, he may be wrong.
Informed by what? It isn't a guess; it is a claim. He argues he gets worse the shorter the distance from HM to1500. What facts support any of that? Facts, not guesses.
From 3k/2m, the longer the distance the slower he has run. There is nothing he has done that shows he has as much talent for longer distances as he does for the 1500-2m. By the same token, no amount of training will make him a world class 800 runner.
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You cherry pick things Jakob are saying, without evaluating the context, and without citing all the contradictory things he has also said. -You seem to think you are objective and don’t interpret, but you do, and seem to miss that you must consider all Jakob’s sayings, and balance them in a totality…
You rightly point out that what others think about his “build” doesn’t change a thing. -I just mentioned the pod cast because you started your post with WTH, as I was the only person in the world that could think that Jakob overestimated his own HM abilities. But here we have two guys that think Jakob can break the 5000m WR, but struggle to see him as a distance guy (because of Copenhagen). It’s a valid point I think, because it says a couple of things about the expectations Jakob voluntarily has given about his best distance, and how some people now try to get it down to earth…
You say I am cherry picking what he says without evaluating the context. I think you've got our roles reversed as you are the one swapping contexts to attempt to fabricate a contradiction. His statements before the race were the only ones made in the context of that race. His statements made in March or elsewhere were not. I am evaluating what he says in the context they were made, while you are extracting all these other things said in other contexts, creating false expectations, and trying to apply them to Copenhagen.
You think I fail to cite contradictory things, but this is also wrong. First, I repeatedly acknowledged his statements from March, and second, I don't see any contradictions when, as you say, considering all the statements in their proper context and balancing them in totality. His best event may still be the half-marathon -- we have to wait and see what he can do when he tries to peak and gets into an ideally paced race in ideal conditions. But the right time to evaluate that is not at the end of a long season focused on 1500m/5000m.
I said WTH heck because you keep saying he ran a bad race, committing the error you accuse me of -- not considering context and not balanced in totality. That means considering he is at the end of an Olympic and Diamond League season, that was focused on the 1500m/5000m, and jumped into a half-marathon at the last minute without any half-marathon preparation.
What would I expect from such an athlete, who makes a last minute addition to jump into a half-marathon, as a first test? If he wanted to see how long he can stay with the leaders, I would say that keeping with the leaders for 10K, and then still jogging it in at 3:15/km pace is not a bad effort, but realistically about as good as we should expect. Given the focus on 1500m/5000m, it is unsurprising that a 27:27 effort to 10K, while trying to stick with the leaders, was above his current ability. This is not a bad race, or a humuliation, but a valuable experience in a race of no real importance to him.
There wasn't anything "valuable in the experience". Apart from greatly overestimating his ability it showed he isn't world class over the distance and won't be.
You don't understand Lydiard. He didn't advocate event specificity for md and distance runners. He trained an 800m runner the same way he trained a 5k-10k or marathon runner. Endurance base, hill work and sharpening phases.
What has Ingebrigtsen done that shows the HM is his "best" distance, as he claims?
Your talk about how Ingebrigtsen would have seen his performance, and the satisfaction you claim he took from it, is purely fanciful. He has said words to the effect it was one of the most painful races he has ever run.
Apparently you don't understand Lydiard nor event specificity. Lydiard's "track training" and "coordination phases" are specific to the athlete and his event(s).
Some of Ingebrigtsen's claims, e.g. what his best event is, remain to be seen and evaluated at the end of his career.
I evaluate Ingebrigtsen's performance based on the best we can expect from any 1500m/5000m athlete who jumped in a half-marathon at the end of a long season. It was not bad or humiliating, but he did just about the best I would have expected from anyone who did not train to race for 1 hour, and decided to stick with the leaders. He also exceeded his own explicitly stated expectations.
You are still wrong about Lydiard. His formula was essentially the same for all his athletes and minor variations in individual programmes doesn't change that. The rest of your comment has become an empty mantra that you have said in every post.
I do not skip the old claim because it is old, but because Jakob himself temporarily "disclaimed" his claims, citing the abnormality of the situation: "Normally this is a distance that would suit my training very well but after a long season on the track working towards the 1500m, it’s exciting to see if I even can reach the finish line!"
Given that he lowered his own expectations, and that the leaders also only went through 10K at ~27:27, his 10K (national record) is not humiliating in the least, and his race execution is one that makes perfectly reasonable sense, to see how long he can stick with the leaders and to gain experience at this longest distance.
Do you think that he expected heaven after expressly doubting whether he could even finish?
I think you are still way overthinking this, and trying to read too much into this race, and placing far too much weight on comments made elsewhere and elsewhen, which Jakob himself expressly discounted.
You’re reading a lot into the race yourself. That he set a 10K NR, that he wanted to see how long he could stay with the leaders, and gain some experience, does not turn a bad race into a good one.
Maybe he can run a fast HM someday, but it sure doesn’t look like it after Copenhagen.
Correct again. And you don't write screeds to state the obvious.
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