Is The RunningLane Course 5K? Or Is It Short?

Yep it's that simple so get out there and measure it! Oh wait, it's not. Someone would have to invest time, travel, etc. No one is stopping any of the four to five people that don't trust the distance. The course is out there all the time. Measure the college courses while you are out there too.

Next time I'm in Alabama I will. EOT!

Leonn wrote:

Next time I'm in Alabama I will. EOT!

Bring friends, multiple steel tapes, flags and several hours and you should be good. Some won't trust that so bring a wheel that you can calibrate on a similar grass course with another steel tape. Because that won't be trusted bring two bikes with Jones Counters. You should probably have someone video the whole thing, document the process and put it somewhere for public consumption. Then make sure you have an independent official there to witness the measurement. I would also run a couple of GPSs during the whole thing as back up, but that can't be used or talked about.

Cool Colorado Rain wrote:

Put spikes on the wheel. No slippage. Problem solved.

Have measured more than one course in my day. Just average downward pressure and the wheel is NOT spinning. Have measured a course in Oakland 3 different times and was within a yard each time. If you are within 10 feet you are doing well.

Darn SPR hasn't been figured out yet either! Well I would do one right up next to the line, one at 10 cm, and another at 1 foot away.

coachy wrote:

Leonn wrote:

Next time I'm in Alabama I will. EOT!

Bring friends, multiple steel tapes, flags and several hours and you should be good. Some won't trust that so bring a wheel that you can calibrate on a similar grass course with another steel tape. Because that won't be trusted bring two bikes with Jones Counters. You should probably have someone video the whole thing, document the process and put it somewhere for public consumption. Then make sure you have an independent official there to witness the measurement. I would also run a couple of GPSs during the whole thing as back up, but that can't be used or talked about.

you are so incredibly stupid. Stop with the wheel BS, stop with the GPS BS. Just need some steel tape and a video camera! EOT!

I finally found the website for the guys who measured Detweiller with a tape.

https://yourtimeplus.com

They changed the company name from On Course Rating Systems, so I was having a hard time finding them.

They have a list of courses they've measured with a tape. This is John Tuckers group. They would be the best ones to measure the hunt course, because they've already used the same methodology to measure so many other important cross country courses. I don't see any Michigan courses on there, so the Ritz course probably hasn't been measured by them .... yet.

I just measured via the video on MileSplit and I got 3.12 miles.

Somebody explain to me what changes if my buddy and I go there this weekend and measure it with our steel tape and report back that it is 4992 meters?

monguse wrote:

Somebody explain to me what changes if my buddy and I go there this weekend and measure it with our steel tape and report back that it is 4992 meters?

About 10 more pages will be added to this thread and that’s about it.

Betting pool? Over/under?

monguse wrote:

Somebody explain to me what changes if my buddy and I go there this weekend and measure it with our steel tape and report back that it is 4992 meters?

First we ask how you managed to convince ANYONE to do this with you. Respect for that.

Second we ask how many beers your friend drank during the process.

Third we ask how you measured the turns.

Fourth we ask for pics. Better take em.

Then we say "So far the best measurement we have is 4992 meters. Can anyone else confirm this?"

Generally speaking confidence that Hunt is very close to 5000 meters goes waaay up, but everyone demands independent confirmation.

If a second group tries it and reports 4995 meters, then the issue will be settled for most people, with a few stragglers insisting on measurement from a credentialed group. Some hard core purists who shall remain nameless and shameless will say the course is short and not valid for a record 5k. I am not one of those purists.

If I was convinced that both groups did due diligence and came up with those numbers, I would be satisfied. I would like to see the YourTimePlus people do it though.

Lucy the unbanned wrote:

Betting pool? Over/under?

Put me down for 1,000 latinum on 4,983 meters.

Ghost of Ward Cleaver wrote:

Newkirk wrote:

Yes every corner is either staked or has a natural boundary. The slower runners will always be able to run the SPR while the fastest runners would have to run a bit further. That is the case regardless of how a course is measured.

Is that the case on a track?

Yes. A slow runner can run within 10 cm of the rail, thus running shorter than 5000m.

This is absolutely a no issue in rest of the world. Who the f-k care about the actual length of a XC-course ? Comparing times between different courses ? Come on this is XC.

Another giver of +1 wrote:

Ghost of Ward Cleaver wrote:

Is that the case on a track?

Yes. A slow runner can run within 10 cm of the rail, thus running shorter than 5000m.

But a faster runner can not? How about in lane two or lane three?

Maybe. So what?

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not a name wrote:

Maybe. So what?

Just trying to get people to think about course set up and course measurement.