This thread was originally titled, "Incredible development in the $612,000 Transcon Goodge run, currently ongoing" but the new title is more descriptive. The description of the run is here.
I've asked PK on my FB page this, and I'll ask you. Why do the rest of us file normal data on Strava 98%+ of the time, but these two only 10% over 4 years, at specific events?
Don't you think that's a bit of an anomaly?
The answer is easy: You just make up false statistics to suit your biases. Like what just wrote, you did not analyze anywhere close to all the data on Strava, not even remotely. You don't have the skills to download Strava data let alone the storage space for all the data on Strava requires enterprise class hardware to be even have enough space.
My case can be summed up in two lines: Runners on Strava file clean data 98+% of the time, and these two, over 7,000kms, four years, and two continents, at VERY specific events, file clean 10%.
First of all, you have my respect for going in person to check the validity of the run, but I don't believe your 98% accuracy figure. I do not have the time to go through the Strava archives in depth as you did, but incorrect heart rate readings may be more common than you think. When you started posting, this came immediately to my mind:
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Note that int he second half of the run the heart rate drops significantly. Yes, is if flat/downhill, but the pace and cadence are similar to the first 50 miles where it is also flat and the heart rate is much higher. You may argue that they both cheated in the same way, but Ashely's run has been scrutinized in depth using tons of additional data and eyewitnesses and there is no reason to believe it is fake.
By the way, the heart rate on my Stava is inaccurate more than 50% of the time, probably because of the shape of my wrist. There are a million factors that may explain the data to be inaccurate in a non-random fashion: different equipment, sweating, external light, different clothes, sunscreen etc...
Yes but why does it only misfire for him once every two years at these very specific events, and never on day 1 or when racing during an event? And why the identical pattern for Balenger? And why no spikes? Only low. Usually around one third to a half way through the day?
You just put it out there that the monitors are unreliable but if we took 100 completely random Strava runs, 98+ would come out perfectly alright.
Thank you for re appearing. i am a registered and well established username. i am also a fellow brit, although i am not sure of the relevance of that.
Your hr stuff was interesting and needed a reply. it never got it from goodge.
Then your posts from the US got inreasingly weird. You pretended to be threatened, then to have some future formal role. Pls explain.
then you said you had a breakthrough.
you need to explain the weirdness (you have tried, but not sufficient), but more importantly. you said you had a major breakthought and your stuff today at 12 was nothing extra, just more hr fluff.
where is this formal role you claimed?
you have lost a lot of credibility by not answering your own claims, let alone those of trolls like 'sneakers'.
sorry.
I hope you can rectify this and look forward to hearing from you.
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the fixation on "proving" this with heart rate is crazy. will c seems an intelligent enough man and i really can't see why he's taking this approach. it's just not a smoking gun, however hard the data is scrutinized.
mind you, why on earth doesn't will g just switch off his heart rate monitor at this point? perhaps we are really just dealing with some quite stupid people here.
having such a tough time and running positive splits while will c was out there certainly points one way, but again it's not conclusive. weather, terrain, mild illness are all plausible reasons to have a few days that look more of a struggle.
being so hostile to will c seems indicative of skullduggery (cf lance a) but then again maybe they're just not very nice people.
It was a smoking gun when the assertion that these irregularities only happened at specific times checked out.
Now it doesn't: Will himself has witnessed one such period (well, as many as 4, realistically - it happened for brief periods on other days he supervised him), but rather than back off he's doubled down.
It's absurd behaviour.
As for the hostility. I can somewhat understand it, albeit don't condone it. James Pregaskis, a member of Goodge's team, wrote this on facebook:
"Let this be my first and last public comment on this matter. Will, we tolerated your presence whilst you were here with an open mind, when you publicly said you were finished investigating this case the previous day because of your ‘new development’ we knew you had found another way to drag Will’s and the rest of our names through the mud. Then after you’d said you would stop investigating, you continued to tailgate us for the rest of the following day, resulting in our frustration. This frustration comes from the fact that we are 6 honest, integral, hard working people trying to do a good thing. And you came out, saw nothing to show for any cheating because there was nothing whilst you were here, nor since we set off in LA, and have still managed to spin something into a story, when you told me to my face you wouldn’t do exactly that. I look forward to reading you’ve made up tomorrow, and I urge you to send a professional out to observe who won’t unethically interfere with the subject and see what happens to the data then. If anyone wants to discuss this matter any further, I’ll be happy to speak to anyone with an open mind in my PM."
What he says is true. Will C went out to supervise. He found nothing except for some vague pivot to "Balinger ran with Will during the low HR data". So what? He ran with him.
And, frustratingly, Will C has started a 775+ post thread on this website, which has since raised significant issues with his claims, and yet he's reserving himself to a facebook group that he's an admin of.
Surely if the suspicion IS that Balenger is running a nice slow few miles at low HR and WC saw this...it adds weight to his point? It's not as if WG is there the whole time. You guys are trying to be smart asses arguing who is right when you could only prove your respective points if WC was there the whole time. You guys are clearly not scientists. All they had to do was desperately hold it together for three or four days. My grandma could do that. WG's running is not impressive. It's barely running. I bet every single one of you could do those miles at that pace if you had to get medicine for your family. WG is nothing but a self promotion vehicle OR a valiant charity hero. Hes no great runner.
If you're Willvlc, you just troll and obfuscate all the time no matter if you are anonymous or not and teaching you how to analyze data is like teaching a rock. You shouldn't be using heart rate data from a watch, of which you clearly have no technical expertise in.
Haha, you are so clearly part of the crew. You aren't helping his cause.
Well, a lot of people use HRM or optical sensors worn elsewhere. Then you'll have people with different generation sensors in their watches, different color of their skin and different tightness of the watch.
Optical sensors are prone to "cadence lock". So depending on the person's heart rate and cadence they can go higher or lower than real heart rate.
It's a matter of opinion... a senior member of the community wrote to me and pointed out [in real surprise] that RB had identical HR traits to WG for his Transcon, and then they hooked up, became best buddies and WG did Jogle identically to RB's Transcon, going as low as 88bpm on day 4.
And this pattern has now continued for 7,000K
I think that's all really relevant and interesting. You think it's fluff. Agree to disagree.
When they fake their data why are they making their HR data so low? You'd think after all of the scrutiny they'd learn to bump it up 20 -30 beats just to quiet the skeptics.
When they fake their data why are they making their HR data so low? You'd think after all of the scrutiny they'd learn to bump it up 20 -30 beats just to quiet the skeptics.
The real Pete Kostelnick is fighting with Will Cockerell in the Facebook comments of Cockerell's "report". Kostelnick's comments are extremely similar to what I have been saying in this thread and doesn't think Cockerell has any evidence and his heart rate obession is stupid. For clarification, I am NOT Pete Kostelnick, but maybe we are long lost twins?
here's an update on another thread about the British runner William Goodge doing Transcon at the moment and some worrying irregularities.
Namely that he runs at 150-170bpm in the first two days of his multidayers, collapses, and then rebounds at close to world class pace for the rest of the journey, but all at 110bpm.
I guessed they were probably doing it for the first time at Transcon, but it turns out that Goodge and his side-kick Balenger also did it at Jogle in 2019. I have published a paper on it at the Jogle FB page here.
Their overheads for this challenge must be enormous with a crew of 6 and huge infrastructure, maybe all costing 100k. They stop for commercials a lot to promote the brands that are backing them.
A killer stat is that at day 9 at Jogle, Carla Molinaro's last 15k was run in 2:11 off a brutal heartrate of 154 - what's required to achieve great things in running as we all know - paying the blood price. Goodge's last 15 splits of his day 9 were at, you guessed it, 110bpm, and he still beat Molinaro by 8 minutes, despite his overall Jogle being 16 days to her 12.
This is all very chilling, not helped by them directing charity funds to GoFundMe, and not to Macmillan and American cancer; and also by not having a tracker on the athlete - it is kept in the van for some reason, which is a total anomaly in this day and age. They say that is to entertain us, but there's nothing fun about watching a semi-dormant van.
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It sounds like there are some concerning irregularities with William Goodge's running performance during his Transcon and Jogle challenges. It appears that he starts off with a high heart rate and then collapses, only to rebound at a world-class pace for the rest of the journey, all while maintaining a heart rate of 110bpm. Goodge and his team have significant overheads with a crew of six and large infrastructure, and they stop frequently for commercials to promote their sponsors. In contrast, Carla Molinaro, another runner, ran her last 15k off a brutal heart rate of 154 during her Jogle challenge, paying the "blood price" to achieve great things in running. Goodge's last 15 splits of his day 9 were at 110bpm and he still beat Molinaro by 8 minutes, despite his overall Jogle challenge taking 16 days to her 12. Additionally, concerns have been raised about the direction of charity funds to GoFundMe instead of to Macmillan and American cancer, and the lack of a tracker on the athlete, which is kept in the van for some reason.
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Balenger wasn't present for all of the 48/30 marathons. I think it was in an interview that he said that he joined ~1/2 way through
What are the dates of the 48/30 marathons? How does the data look for the first half of those compared to the second half or compared to this transcon?
