Tougher than running wrote:
No. The opposite. We should not believe her. She should not respond to accusations nor should Salazar.
You weren't running for NOP at the time so you don't know what happened between her and Salazar. Is it possible that Salazar pushed her to run at an unhealthy weight which resulted in a series of stress fractures? Salazar has been hammered in this forum for years, but now most posters are defending him against Cain. Why?
Eyeroll wrote:
https://twitter.com/runmarycain/status/1218224844262838273?s=21Regardless of whether you agree (I, for one, think the boards are a mess and need to be improved through more aggressive moderation, but believe the recent attacks go too far), perception is reality and something needs to give. Letsrun needs to publicly hire a woman in some capacity. Whether it is part time journalist or moderator, it needs to be addressed.
I want to first say that I sympathize with the comments that women have been making about letsrun recently, however I don't think anything should be changed. This is like getting mad at Twitter for having negative comments. If you don't want to read negative things, stop coming here.
With that said, I think it would be beneficial for letsrun to hire a female at least to write a couple articles here and there for the website. Maybe even to interview athletes.
SDSU Aztec wrote:
zerzer wrote:
Yeah, the chronology makes it so obvious.
1) Salazar gets banned for doping.
2) Cain suddenly goes to the media with a story about her being "abused" by Salazar.
3) Cain becomes a professional victim and nobody asks her about her being on the juice.
There is no evidence that she cheated. Why does she have to respond to your accusation? It would be pointless, anyway, as you would not believe her denials.
Her coach has been banned for doping. That's a fact.
Cain and Rupp are the athletes he would be most likely to dope, due to their age.
And he wasn't just her coach, but more like a father figure.
All in all, it's extremely likely that she was juiced.
But somehow she keeps completely silent about this subject. I really wonder why, if she is so concerned about female athletics like she claims.
zerzer wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
There is no evidence that she cheated. Why does she have to respond to your accusation? It would be pointless, anyway, as you would not believe her denials.
Her coach has been banned for doping. That's a fact.
Cain and Rupp are the athletes he would be most likely to dope, due to their age.
And he wasn't just her coach, but more like a father figure.
All in all, it's extremely likely that she was juiced.
But somehow she keeps completely silent about this subject. I really wonder why, if she is so concerned about female athletics like she claims.
None of that will get you a conviction in court. If she denied doping, you wouldn't believe her, so what's the point?
I have only read this site for a couple of years. I am a woman, and I've been a runner for a long time. I understand that when I read this site there will be a certain amount of crassness, but in a weird way I find that refreshing. I think a lot of things have been PC'd to death. Sure, you shouldn't deliberately hurt someone, but the line regarding what is "hurtful" has moved to the point where just stating a simple fact with good intentions can unleash pandemonium in some circles. I enjoy a lot of the running info on here, but I also enjoy seeing other's raw thoughts even if they sometimes make me cringe. I don't believe that censuring speech means that you are censuring thoughts- that not allowing men to say things that objectify women means that they magically don't think that way anymore. I personally appreciate seeing that out in the open so that I know what I'm dealing with. To me, being in an environment where speech is heavily censured is anxiety ridden because I am fully aware of the disconnect between what people are saying and what they are thinking. It is draining.
Sure, there have been threads that get out of line. Most of the horrible comments get called out eventually. That being said, I hope that some of the young high school female runners that have had some truly cringeworthy comments on here have not read them. If one of them was my daughter or if I was their coach I would do everything in my power to keep them off this site.
These boards are not for everyone, but that should be okay because no one is forced to read them. Your freedom to leave is one click away!
SDSU Aztec wrote:
zerzer wrote:
Her coach has been banned for doping. That's a fact.
Cain and Rupp are the athletes he would be most likely to dope, due to their age.
And he wasn't just her coach, but more like a father figure.
All in all, it's extremely likely that she was juiced.
But somehow she keeps completely silent about this subject. I really wonder why, if she is so concerned about female athletics like she claims.
None of that will get you a conviction in court. If she denied doping, you wouldn't believe her, so what's the point?
Salazar isn't convicted in court either for "emotionally and physically" abusing Cain, like she claimed in her scripted hit piece by NYT. As far as I am aware, she didn't even file an official complaint with the police. So what was the point of her interview?
Oh yeah, it was just about distracting from her doping issues and about making a career as a professional victim in the #MeToo era. The liberal media love it.
Models have to be hot: skinny, good bone structure, well groomed, unblemished skin.
Military personnel have to be disciplined: not think for themselves, insouciant, beyond ethical censure.
Runners (regardless of gender) have to look like prepubescent boys: skin and bone, sexually neutral, low IQ.
There will always be expectations no matter what you do, some of which you are powerless to control.
Perhaps she should join a sport where body type doesn’t play an exceedingly significant role, maybe she’d enjoy softball.
Please grown up Mary! Or at least keep your pitiful hysterics to yourself.
'She has a right to call out the site if she doesn't like what is being said on it. Here is her quote from the outside online article: 'You’re like, ‘I have broken five minutes for the mile as an eighth grader and adult men are in their moms’ basements writing articles about me'
What is she trying to say? The brojos don't live in their parents basement and they write the articles. I don't imagine the other payed staff who write articles for LRC live in their parents basements, but if they did, would it matter?
She's likely refering to ranom lewd comments made by anonymous message board posters.
Where they live makes no difference.'
I live in my mom's basement, and resent this kind of carp
fred wrote:
'She has a right to call out the site if she doesn't like what is being said on it. Here is her quote from the outside online article: 'You’re like, ‘I have broken five minutes for the mile as an eighth grader and adult men are in their moms’ basements writing articles about me'
What is she trying to say? The brojos don't live in their parents basement and they write the articles. I don't imagine the other payed staff who write articles for LRC live in their parents basements, but if they did, would it matter?
She's likely refering to ranom lewd comments made by anonymous message board posters.
Where they live makes no difference.'
I live in my mom's basement, and resent this kind of carp
Mary is kind of a flake, That was apparent on the various videos detailing her first year with Al Sal. Immature and in over her head.
That being said, LRC boards have gotten a lot worse over the past 3 years or so (interesting coincidence). The adolescent/cross country shower banter has always been around and honestly it’s entertaining. And mostly harmless.
But there are some posts on race and gender that are way way over the boundary of decent. What’s my definition of decent? Like the famous Supreme Court justice said about pornography, I know it when I see it. Some of the stuff that’s posted is straight up vile and repulsive. Don’t know if the BroJos recent efforts come from a place of true concern or just responding to criticism from people who may influence their commercial and professional viability.
zerzer wrote:
SDSU Aztec wrote:
None of that will get you a conviction in court. If she denied doping, you wouldn't believe her, so what's the point?
Salazar isn't convicted in court either for "emotionally and physically" abusing Cain, like she claimed in her scripted hit piece by NYT. As far as I am aware, she didn't even file an official complaint with the police. So what was the point of her interview?
Oh yeah, it was just about distracting from her doping issues and about making a career as a professional victim in the #MeToo era. The liberal media love it.
I don't know if she cheated or what happened between her and Salazar, but you're stating your Me Too theory as a fact, but you weren't there.
Nobody should be critiquing her body, that's just plain wrong. However people should be allowed to express their opinions as fans, whether harsh, misguided or not (e.g. "she'll never win anything big") and the brojos have made it clear that type of dialogue by fans is good for the sport. I'm not sure if forcing registration will foster those kinds of enthusiastic discussions that we regularly see. Obviously they could have done better to clean up some of the comments that Mary is referring to.
It's also clear from the last few months that Mary is thin skinned and would be wise to completely tune out the message board. However, that doesn't mean all female professional runners are wired this way. It was clear after listening to Desi on the letsrun podcast that she's a fan of the site and has thick enough skin to handle it. I don't like it when people make blanket assessments that this place is bad for women's running.
Dude, you're just on a political rant. The brojos are not any of the aforementioned things in your post. You just threw together a bunch of damning accusations about them in one post with no evidence because you thought it might strengthen your argument, or lack there of. With that being said, does showing bias toward American (all races of Americans) athletes over Kenyans make them racist? No, you incompetent moron. Race is not a nation. Americans are of many different races.
Next matter to address, anti-semitism. Since when have the brojos been intolerant of Jewish citizens? Where is the evidence of that? Please take your problems to your psychiatrist.
Not critique the body of a professional athlete? ESPN critiques the bodies of professional football players and basketball players all day long. Actually, they also critique college players. Somebody is too short or too thin or too fat or too weak. They talk all the time about how a player got to college and starting on a nutrition program to either lose 20 pounds of baby fat or increase size by adding 40 pounds of muscle. If Aaron Rodgers gains 20 pounds of fat in the off season, that is all you would hear about next football season. If he was whining that his coach was harassing him to lose the 20 pounds, he would be a laughingstock.
How about someone try to locate the quotes she refers to? It has to still be on here.
The internet is just too toxic now. There is a hive mind mentality that doesn't even hold up once you go outside and spend 5 minutes out in the real world.
I'm sure this forum used to be good and had interesting running discussion, but it is full of mostly bitter, angry and condisending posts.
It reminds me of incel forums.
You get bet that this forum is full of bitter men.
If you don't like this forum, why are you there?
I don't go on forums and message board I dislike. You are obsessed and feel weak.
You get a bit of everything on this board, like the real world.
Asking what wrote:
If you don't like this forum, why are you there?
These people are sick. They've somehow developed an addiction to being offended. The saddest part is that in the quest to feed their addiction, they do nothing more than trivialize real-world racism, misogyny, etc.
Cleveland browns head coach wrote:
Asking what wrote:
If you don't like this forum, why are you there?
These people are sick. They've somehow developed an addiction to being offended. The saddest part is that in the quest to feed their addiction, they do nothing more than trivialize real-world racism, misogyny, etc.
This seems like a big lack of maturity. They have not grown up and can't deal with the real world of other people not thinking like their narrow minds.
fred wrote:
'She has a right to call out the site if she doesn't like what is being said on it. Here is her quote from the outside online article: 'You’re like, ‘I have broken five minutes for the mile as an eighth grader and adult men are in their moms’ basements writing articles about me'
What is she trying to say? The brojos don't live in their parents basement and they write the articles. I don't imagine the other payed staff who write articles for LRC live in their parents basements, but if they did, would it matter?
She's likely refering to ranom lewd comments made by anonymous message board posters.
Where they live makes no difference.'
I live in my mom's basement, and resent this kind of carp
Cain is trying to humiliate the Brojos by shaming them about the place where they supposedly live.
Honestly, I'm surprised she said "adult men" and not "white old men," the latest liberal slur.
Shaming people about their home is ok, but weighing an athlete is fat-shaming? Mary is a true hypocrite.