Is BYU at Risk of Budget Cuts?

To get baptized or attend the temple you need a worthiness interview that asks about keeping commandments including tithing. You could attend church for the rest of your life though and activities outside the temple without ever becomming a member. Why would you want to do any of the things you mentioned if you don't believe in the Church? Tithing isn't first and foremost obligation in the Church.

No one is asked to backpay tithing. To get a recommend you would be asked to pay tithing (amongst other things) for a period of time and if you are good in all required areas per the interview questions, you could get a recommend. You could have waited for your father in law to get ready which he probably had time to do during your engagement or you could have been married civilly so he could have attended and then got sealed in the temple later where he could have attended also if he was willing to get ready.

CPA wrote:

unpressedented wrote:

I'm sorry your father in law was a crummy accountant. Let's see, 10% of zero is...carry the one...ZERO. So if he was doing his accounting properly and not mixing business and personal accounts, he would have figured out that he had zero income. The bishop asks him if he's a full tithe payer, he says yes, end of story. No wonder his business went broke if he was that bad at numbers.

You clearly need to take some actual accounting classes.

Tithing is from Gross Revenue not Net Profit.

So if Gross Revenue is 100,000

Tithing required would be 10,000.

Doesn't matter if Expenses are 110,000. and father in law had a net loss of 10,000 if tithing is on a Gross basis.

You can pay on a gross basis if you want but it is considered paying tithing to pay on your increase which is net. Net profit might not even cover 10% of gross revenue so that is not a requirement.

blamb61 wrote:

blamb61 wrote:

Temple recommend interviews are voluntary. The member asks for an appointment. From an active member who doesn't hate the Church.

There is NO pressure to pay tithing. There is encouragement to keep all commandments including tithing. Big difference! I believe God keeps his promises and he promised he would bless those who keep the law of tithing. See Malachi 3:8-12.

Not that I'm judging you, your writings judge themselves, but you have proven yourself to be an untruthful, biased and disingenuous poster.

The temple recommend is absolutely mandatory for entrance to the temple, whether the interview is voluntary or not. Don't volunteer for the interview and you ain't getting into that temple. There is MASSIVE pressure to give 10% of every hard earned dollar towards the $100 billion sitting dormant in the bank. Of the seven or so billion dollars in profit that the LDS accumulates every single year, they give far less than 1% to charity.

As far as following the commandments, JSmith the very founder of this scheme was serially guilty of at least four. Do not covet your neighbors' wives, at least 27 of them. Do not commit adultery. Do not kill. Do not steal.

You seem to be obsessed with the tithing commandment, placing it above all others, which is in line with LDS. Maybe that is because this thread stresses tithing.

What about the commandments of Jesus?

Do not store up treasures on Earth - certainly not $100 billion. Matt. 6-19.

Do not worry about your needs - certainly don't hoard massive amounts of food in your basement. Matt. 6-25.

Do not worry about tomorrow - again with the hoarding. Matt. 6-34.

Do not judge - well, to be judgmental (I don't claim to be faithful), this is something that you definitely need to work on after you called several honest posters liars. Matt. 7-1.

Care for those in distress - use a whopping lot more (or even just a teensy bit more) of that $100 billion tax free moolah to feed and clothe the poor. Matt. 25-34.

Watch out for false prophets - this one is beyond laughable for any LDS. Matt. 7-15.

Do not exalt yourself - don't call yourself bishop or prophet or elder or general leader. Matt. 23-8.

Do not oppose other Christian groups - or in the case of the LDS, Christian groups. Mark 9-38.

Love one another - don't hate other races and faiths, don't claim that blacks are the spawn of the devil. John 15-12.

I realize that all of these are New Testament commandments. The general impression and evidence is that LDS doesn't follow the New Testament and doesn't believe in what Jesus says. Therefore, you are quite forgiven for rejecting anything that Jesus preached. Or if not for totally rejecting Jesus but just selectively following what is variably found convenient by the LDS leader.

You didn't understand your roll as a Bishop or rewuirements of worthiness. You don't make someone tithing worthy by paying tithing for them! Can't be done. There is no payment amount that needs to be made to get a temple recommend, just that you are a full tithe payer which you can be by paying zero dollars in tithing if you have no income.

Of course a temple recommend is required to enter the temple, never said otherwise.

Absolutely there is not massive pressure to pay tithing unless that is self imposed. Tithing is used for buildings and such. Fast offerings, perpetual education fund, humanitarian fund are for helping the poor. Many donate lots of time and money helping others. The church gives much to the needy. In Old Testamen times, they didn't sell the temple to give to the poor. The temple inspired them to help them be better people like they do today. Church buildings are necessary also for meetings to inspire people that can also find strength to help themselves change (with God's help).

God doesn't expect us to not strive to be financially responsible as individuals and as a church. The scriptures about not worrying about finances was guidance given to Apistles and missionaries where God said he would take care of them. The leaders of the Church Christ organized back then we're Apostles which were to be and still are the foundation of the leadership of the Church.

We absolutely belive in the new testament. You have some very wrong ideas about the LDS Church.

Former Bishopirc Counseler wrote:

blamb61 wrote:

Temple recommend interviews are voluntary. The member asks for an appointment. From an active member who doesn't hate the Church.

Not true. A total fabrication.

The Ward Clerk gets a list and hands out a sheet that tells how much the member tithed and is asked to meet with the Bishop, it's the end of the year "tithing settlement".

The Bishop ask if the number's right and how your doing.

The Mormon Church is part religion/multi level marketer/ society.

A great place to go is "Reddit Mormon"

You don't have to go to tithing settlement if you don't want to. You also arrange your own interview for a temple recommend. I've conducted tithing settlements and temple recommend interviews and that is how it works. Your only given that printout if you sign up for and show up to a tithing settlement appointment. No one else is given that information. A finance clerk can see it and the Bishop and that is all. During tithing settlement, the Bishop will ask if you are a full, partial, or non tithe payer. You grade yourself. He will mark down what you declare. If you are not a full tithe payer he will probably ask if you want to become one and what he can do to help. He will offer words of encouragement and probably share his testimony of the principle. That is how it works. If you don't go to tithing settlement, the Bishop will make a judgement call and make a designation. The record asks if the designation was self declared or Bishop determined.

BernieMadoff wrote:

Zoobies wrote:

Henry Marsh, the hero of BYU has perpetrated several ponzi schemes. One of his first pyramid frauds, MonaVie, stole $186 million from poor unsuspecting investors. Fraudulent business ethics is pretty much a required course at the Mormon college BYU.

True dat. Utah is notorious for the number of flim-flam financial schemes its Mormon denziens hatch.

Even Donny and Marie got in on it via a recording and movie studio they built that went bust-out.

i guess it's not a sin to those folks.

Utah: a sunny place for shady people.

I guess that is why Utah is growing and thriving!

If temple recommends are required then calling the interview voluntary is quite Soviet of you.

The church barely gives a pittance of their profits to the needy. Much compared to what I have in my pocket, maybe, but a tiny, miniscule, extremely small, microscopic pittance of what they dun from the congregation is used for charitable works.

Massively more of the contributions go towards funding private enterprises of which the church leaders are definitely profiting from. They certainly do not follow a tithing policy for giving of their income to the needy, not even a tithe of a tithe. Scrooge would be exceedingly proud of the LDS. If I had a ten dollars and you desperately needed one dollar (or not even desperately), I would certainly give it to you. In context, of every hundred dollars sitting in the church's treasure cave, they do not even give a penny to charity. Greed beyond explanation unless you realize that amassing and hoarding the cash is the entire purpose of the enterprise.

LDS may believe that the New Testament exists, but they certainly do not attempt to follow New Testament guidelines.

blamb61 wrote:

BernieMadoff wrote:

True dat. Utah is notorious for the number of flim-flam financial schemes its Mormon denziens hatch.

Even Donny and Marie got in on it via a recording and movie studio they built that went bust-out.

i guess it's not a sin to those folks.

Utah: a sunny place for shady people.

I guess that is why Utah is growing and thriving!

Every mormon con man in the world flocks there for the easy pickings. The people are conditioned to be conned by the prophet and his minions.

I've explained catagories of money which you ignore. How much in charity do you give compared to a house mortgage? The mortgage for most would be bigger and it houses people so that they are not homeless needing help. The organized church with buildings also houses people who learn and grow to overcome problems in their life and become resilient people. I don't care what they are teaching you in your church, we belive in the New Testament. This whole last year we studied the New Testament. We strive to follow the teachings of the New Testament. You are very miss-informed. Please look at our curriculum for this last year and then tell me if you think we don't believe in the New Testament.

Madoff, Bernie Madoff wrote:

blamb61 wrote:

I guess that is why Utah is growing and thriving!

Every mormon con man in the world flocks there for the easy pickings. The people are conditioned to be conned by the prophet and his minions.

blamb61 wrote:

Madoff, Bernie Madoff wrote:

Every mormon con man in the world flocks there for the easy pickings. The people are conditioned to be conned by the prophet and his minions.

https://siteselection.com/cc/utah/2018/business-climate-overview-utah-the-best-state-for-business.cfm

A great place to run a business if you are intent on defrauding people. No regulation, the people in charge of enforcing the laws are mormon and look the other way if they aren't actively participating in the crimes of other mormons. Fraud capital of the world, all due to the mormons affinity for participating in and being gullible to fraud.

Madoff, Bernie Madoff wrote:

blamb61 wrote:

https://siteselection.com/cc/utah/2018/business-climate-overview-utah-the-best-state-for-business.cfm

A great place to run a business if you are intent on defrauding people. No regulation, the people in charge of enforcing the laws are mormon and look the other way if they aren't actively participating in the crimes of other mormons. Fraud capital of the world, all due to the mormons affinity for participating in and being gullible to fraud.

https://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/utah-fraud-capital/

Hahahahaha. The article you posted says mostly based on anecdotal evidence on the cover page. You haters are unreal!

blamb61 wrote:

Madoff, Bernie Madoff wrote:

A great place to run a business if you are intent on defrauding people. No regulation, the people in charge of enforcing the laws are mormon and look the other way if they aren't actively participating in the crimes of other mormons. Fraud capital of the world, all due to the mormons affinity for participating in and being gullible to fraud.

https://attorneygeneral.utah.gov/utah-fraud-capital/

Hahahahaha. The article you posted says mostly based on anecdotal evidence on the cover page. You haters are

unreal!

Hahahaha, The article states that it used to be based on anecdotal evidence until a massive amount of proof showed that the anecdotes are true. I'm really beginning to think that you are mentally challenged and have a difficult time reading, or that you don't have the attention span to read beyond the first sentence. (Not that there is anything wrong with being dimwitted.) You people with bias blinders are unreal. Defending fraud is despicable, even if you have been taught to do that from infancy. Defending fraud perpetrated against the people whom you claim to minister to is beyond despicable. Con artists love people like you, and apparently you embrace them back.

Golly no they aren't going to cut the budget at BYU. That's where they train the next generation of fraudsters. They need to keep them there for eight years because they need two years for indoctrination, two years of crime classes, two years of internship mission where they practice the con, and two years because the people who go there are pretty bottom of the barrel intellectually and need the extra time to learn the basics.

You want a compassionate, Christlike response for yourself, after months of dealing out as much dishonesty and bile as you can about others? You're a petty little hypocrite who can't take his own medicine. How about practicing what you (claim to) preach for a change.

Plus your story stinks. Your father in law always paid tithing, but then just so happened to need a temple recommend the one month he didn't? He paid himself a low salary, but didn't throw in a few hundred extra for tithing he thought was so important? An extra $200 wasn't going to save his business. And what kind of a dude's primary concern on his wedding day is his father in law? Not adding up.

This outfit is no different than ISIS, Scientology, Jim and Tammy Faye, Jimmy Swaggart.

I'm curious what they need the $100billion of cash for. They claim that it is for buildings, but they already can't spend the $10 billion that rolls in on top of that every year. On a profit of $250 billion over the past thirty years, they have given out less than $1 billion for charity. That's extremely stingy by any standard. They have a massive amount of cash that keeps growing and never gets spent, yet they pressure their poor congregations to continually pay more. They don't care if those families can't feed themselves, have warm clothing, medicine, educations. The first priority is to keep lining the pockets of the old men in charge. How is it any different at all from what goes on in an African dictatorship? There may not be any accounting going on there now, but there surely will be an accounting at the judgement day.