Let’s see how much attention this gets - Jen Rhines shares her thoughts

Drunk Letsrun wrote:

Harlinsdaler wrote:

How the F’ do you NOT know who Jen Rhines is? One of the longest and most productive distance running careers in US history, Male or Female.

Alsoran on the world stage. She's no Deena or Joanie.

Neither was Mary Cain. That's the point.

Just askin' wrote:

Here it is in a nutshell.

Your story is plausible, but once again, you don't give us any evidence, just your say so. Even on the internet, bluster does not make you right. It just makes you boring.

Just askin' wrote:

Here it is in a nutshell.

PS Oh, yeah: You need a new moniker, because whatever it is that you are doing here, it does not have anything to do with asking. You are telling. Maybe you could change your name to "broadcast mode," since that's your default setting. That, and bluster.

Jen Rhines was able to enjoy a successful and healthy career as an amateur and professional runner. Good for her -- the accomplishments she notched speak for themselves.

That's about all that can be drawn from this essay. It's ridiculous to argue that her experience negates or excuses the problems at NOP that Cain and others described. Just like how some people have healthy personal relationships and others, for all kinds of reasons, are attracted to abusive relationships.

You can go on all you like about how the victims could "just decide to leave" but the abuser is still an abuser.

It's pretty common for hyper-controlling people to become experts at spotting vulnerable people they can control and then finding ways to cover their tracks. They know how to shield themselves by letting the ones they don't abuse cover for their real victims.

That's my guess at the Salazar/Cain dynamic. Yes, it's just a guess ... but it fit some very well established patterns.

Finally, there's no doubt that dropping weight can be a performance booster. But if that becomes a primary way to enhance performance, at the expense of developing talent over the long term, it's just shoddy coaching and a lack of insight about all the other factors that lead to long-term success.

ASal deserves his punishment. But the snowflake runners are yes, snowflakes.

Same as it ever was wrote:

Just askin' wrote:

Here it is in a nutshell.

PS Oh, yeah: You need a new moniker, because whatever it is that you are doing here, it does not have anything to do with asking. You are telling. Maybe you could change your name to "broadcast mode," since that's your default setting. That, and bluster.

Ask and you shall receive

And... I'm just sayin' my "opinion" just like anyone else, whether or not you choose to believe it is up to you. No one ever asks the nutjob to prove anything or cite a source, they know it's not true. The fact that anyone wants proof is enough for me, it shows me that they are thinking and can put things together for themselves. It's not hard to check what I said for accuracy, be free young grasshopper, it's now your turn to fly.

No, using Mary Cain's pityful story to negate Jen Rhine's great experience is the real travesty.

Pitiful ... not pityful. Seems appropriate to point out your shortcoming.

Gwalkerruns wrote:

Goucher saw Dr. Brown before ever meeting Salazar. Cain said Salazar belittled her once in two years about her weight and hated nop so much she begged to come back. Their credibility is zero.

What a surprise - a guy who has sucked off the cheating program for years is also such a simpleton to think the NOP criticisms and violations are merely about “seeing Dr Brown”.

I’m glad Jen wrote this, the majority of the sport is this way.

Cain should have come out the way she did, Salazar, Tressure and Capriotti needed to be exposed.

We need more Jen Rhines talking and less Lauren Fleshman talking.

I would be happy if the Fleshman’s of the sport got on the same boat with Alberto and sailed away.

malmo wrote:

It's clear that you've never read Uncle Tom's Cabin. Had you, you would have understand that Kara Goucher and Mary Cain (Auntie Toms) were the one's who stood up to Salazar (Simon Legree) and have paid a price for it.

So tired of all these "heroes" standing up to Salazar, after the fact, after they booted off for unrelated reasons, wanted to come back, were eager participants in the "gray area" shady stuff (both Gouchers, thyroid meds/Dr. Brown, before NOP), when it comes off as PR damage control for being outed as drug cheats ("all NOP athletes under investigation..."). It is, look at me, I raised all this stink about such and such, therefore, don't associate me with doping if the program gets fully exposed, or blame me if I get outed in particular.

Disappointed letsrun is giving this spotlight.

Good for her she made it through without any issues.

She’s completely missing the point. Eating disorders in female athletics is a systemic issue that needs attention and serious solutions.

Certainly, not for Salazar. I have read numerous articles about his temper. Sounds like he was the biggest drama queen of them all.

What about that crap about signing a contract not to have friends on the team. That's just weird.

Her first statement says a lot to me and should to the posters, particularly coaches, who claimed it is ‘normal’ for female athletes to stop getting their period when training.

It’s not. It’s a sign of malnutrition, excessive stress on the body, overtraining and lack of recovery.

I had to google who Jen Rhines was. Good for her I guess but this is about Alberto. Obviously the sport is hard and affects people differently.

CTolle podcast from July 2019 with Jen was very good....listen. Touches on toughness required and coaching relationships.

A Letsrun Female wrote:

Disappointed letsrun is giving this spotlight.

Good for her she made it through without any issues.

She’s completely missing the point. Eating disorders in female athletics is a systemic issue that needs attention and serious solutions.

No, you're missing the point. Jen is saying that you can be like her, super skinny (for a few weeks of the year) and fast without starving yourself and messing up your hormones.

The fact that she was never bullied or fat shamed meant that she didn't experience the anxiety/self hate/self starvation/depression etc which is inflicted upon those who are fat shamed and bullied.

A Letsrun Female wrote:

Disappointed letsrun is giving this spotlight.

Good for her she made it through without any issues.

She’s completely missing the point. Eating disorders in female athletics is a systemic issue that needs attention and serious solutions.

I think "role model" is right: You seriously misread Rhines. She is not bragging. She is not minimizing the importance of EDs. She gets that EDs are a big problem. She also gets that not all coaches, team mates, family or friends are helping fight EDs. That is why she is revealing intimate details about her life on the internet. Her goal is to empower runners by giving them facts to counter the "fact" that "losing your period is just how it is." She hopes that by telling her story, future Mary Cains will know that they don't have to give up their period to run well, or put up with coaches who think they do.

Treating EDs is difficult. Rhines may be naïve to think that telling her story will help reduce them. But that is a different matter than whether or not she is letting the side down. She isn't.

Who is? wrote:

Drunk Letsrun wrote:

Alsoran on the world stage. She's no Deena or Joanie.

Neither was Mary Cain. That's the point.

Mary Cain is the point of this thread? Can you even read??