Same old, same old negative responses when someone tells of 'non-runners' that can run faster than the majority of numpties on this so called runners forum.
Even boundary umpires in AFL run 16:20 for 5km, the average distance they cover in a game is 16km (more than the players' average) and the cumulative amount of distance sub 2:50/km is 1.2km
...no, I am not going to provide examples, please google yourself
Thefin wrote:
pugi list wrote:
He's a boxer with good running genetics. It's not really about his training, just like any other person with running talent.
Plenty of other boxers look and train the same and would be lucky to break 20
This thread needs to end here. This is the total and only summation.
This is correct.
Gravvvy wrote:
I would be more impressed if I could find the actual race results.
5 pages in and none posted, then there aren't any.
When did posters here start believing unproven times? Obviously if you claim to run sub 15 you have to prove it. And if you claim your old PB was sub 15, prove that too.
What we're seeing here is a current of people who want to believe it so they can insult each other, but in so doing they disgrace the integrity of the sport! Results or it never happened.
I got the Benson Masya post. And I agree. Masya was impressive, and a nice guy.
Ciro wrote:
Raging Bulls#@t wrote:
And of course we all know that boxers -like the pro heavyweight who once told me that he ran 6 miles every morning in 30 minutes- are infallible sources of information when it comes to their roadwork.
Obviously a heavy weight couldn’t run like that but some light weights definitely can.
Please enlighten as to which lightweights "definitely can" do 6-mile morning runs at 5-minute flat per mile pace as part of their daily training.
14x is good.
but lots of people can do 2 sports.
that is all there is to it.
you have the nerve wrote:
Boxers are way, way, way fitter than runners. Boxing is very much a cardio sport, and competitive boxers have insane cardio.
I'm not even a good boxer (15 amateur fights) or runner but I've run / won road races with 16:30 5ks while training. I've seen a guy in my area run 9:40s for 2 miles while training for the golden gloves.
A state or regional class amateur 3-round fighter typically runs 3-5 miles a day on top of another 2 hours of training including 15 - 20 minutes of jump rope. A good pro fighter is doing more like 5 - 8 miles several times a week.
Boxing rings are absorbent and absolutely drain your legs. Moving around the ring for 3 minutes feels like running 20 second sprints with 20 second jogs in the sand. I've seen excellent runners gas out from one or two minutes of sparring. Sparring might be 4-5 rounds once or twice a week (more leading up to a longer pro fight). In addition to this, most shadowboxing is done in the ring.
The pacing of fights / sparring is incredibly taxing. You explode, rest, explode, rest, explode, rest, ... plus your dealing with unwanted physical pain in addition to the self-induced cardio-type pain. Running feels easy afterwards.
I'd imagine most competitive 152 lbers and below -- 170 max before weight cuts -- can run sub 20. Those who do a little speed work would have relatively little difficulty breaking 18 minutes. I think a sub-15 5k is special.
A boxer that runs can obviously run fast.
A boxer who races a 5k solely on boxing conditioning would have to be genetically LUCKY to get under 20.
Seriously, name a boxer with no running background, logging zero miles a week, and can run a 20 minute 5k just from punching a bag and dancing laterally around a ring a few steps at a time.
Obviously boxers are way fitter than runners. That said, boxing cardio is not running cardio. Boxing is best described as "sustained anaerobic activity". Not aerobic.
I had a friend who was a Boxer, "Irleis "Cubanito Perez" He fought Jimmy Paul for The title he also fought Hector Camacho, many thought he won both fights, we ran together a lot in the mornings, he ran a 10k Road Race as A Boxing Club was putting on the race, it was his first race, he ran 33 Minutes and change, he was 4th out of over 500 people, the longest run he had done in training was 7-8 Miles.
http://www.nittai-ld.com/result/m/C201404/K54-033-1-33.htmlBad Wigins wrote:
Gravvvy wrote:
I would be more impressed if I could find the actual race results.
5 pages in and none posted, then there aren't any.
When did posters here start believing unproven times? Obviously if you claim to run sub 15 you have to prove it. And if you claim your old PB was sub 15, prove that too.
What we're seeing here is a current of people who want to believe it so they can insult each other, but in so doing they disgrace the integrity of the sport! Results or it never happened.
You're welcome. Brett Larner apparently didn't understand though that this is a throwback from 2014.
douglas burke wrote:
I had a friend who was a Boxer, "Irleis "Cubanito Perez" He fought Jimmy Paul for The title he also fought Hector Camacho, many thought he won both fights, we ran together a lot in the mornings, he ran a 10k Road Race as A Boxing Club was putting on the race, it was his first race, he ran 33 Minutes and change, he was 4th out of over 500 people, the longest run he had done in training was 7-8 Miles.
Assuming this is true, could this suggest most people are training wrong / not efficiently? especially for 5k-10k type distances? Could a more crossfit/boxing style of training work better? Maybe we are overly reliant on aerobic conditioning - i.e. churning out endless easy runs?
3 minutes google search wrote:
http://www.nittai-ld.com/result/m/C201404/K54-033-1-33.htmlYou're welcome. Brett Larner apparently didn't understand though that this is a throwback from 2014.
Ok, so maybe that's him. This thread can continue now.
You still need to explain who Brett Larner is, and why #239 out of 273 was in 2014. Are these held 5 times a year?
Don't know what to say if you think a boxer can't run under 20 without great genes.
I'm homozygous CC for ACTN3 genotype (more common in powerlifters and sprinters). I do not run, I only lift weights. I ran a 21 min flat 5k off of solely weightlifting training.
I ran XC and track in HS. My best 5k at the time was 17:44.
Point is, I'm no Bekele.
You are either trolling or don't have a great sense of what general cardiovascular fitness is.
sad115 wrote:
Don't know what to say if you think a boxer can't run under 20 without great genes.
I'm homozygous CC for ACTN3 genotype (more common in powerlifters and sprinters). I do not run, I only lift weights. I ran a 21 min flat 5k off of solely weightlifting training.
I ran XC and track in HS. My best 5k at the time was 17:44.
Point is, I'm no Bekele.
You are either trolling or don't have a great sense of what general cardiovascular fitness is.
Whoops - This is in reply to Learn the Systems
Bad Wigins wrote:
3 minutes google search wrote:
http://www.nittai-ld.com/result/m/C201404/K54-033-1-33.htmlYou're welcome. Brett Larner apparently didn't understand though that this is a throwback from 2014.
Ok, so maybe that's him. This thread can continue now.
You still need to explain who Brett Larner is, and why #239 out of 273 was in 2014. Are these held 5 times a year?
Brett Larner = Japan Running News, I thought this is common knowledge.
I have no idea about the numbering system of japanese track events, but obviously those are legit results. Considering that the event itself is huge (Hiroaka won 5000m heat 33/40) I wouldn't be surprised if it's held 5 times a year though.
learn the systems wrote:
you have the nerve wrote:
Boxers are way, way, way fitter than runners. Boxing is very much a cardio sport, and competitive boxers have insane cardio.
I'm not even a good boxer (15 amateur fights) or runner but I've run / won road races with 16:30 5ks while training. I've seen a guy in my area run 9:40s for 2 miles while training for the golden gloves.
A state or regional class amateur 3-round fighter typically runs 3-5 miles a day on top of another 2 hours of training including 15 - 20 minutes of jump rope. A good pro fighter is doing more like 5 - 8 miles several times a week.
Boxing rings are absorbent and absolutely drain your legs. Moving around the ring for 3 minutes feels like running 20 second sprints with 20 second jogs in the sand. I've seen excellent runners gas out from one or two minutes of sparring. Sparring might be 4-5 rounds once or twice a week (more leading up to a longer pro fight). In addition to this, most shadowboxing is done in the ring.
The pacing of fights / sparring is incredibly taxing. You explode, rest, explode, rest, explode, rest, ... plus your dealing with unwanted physical pain in addition to the self-induced cardio-type pain. Running feels easy afterwards.
I'd imagine most competitive 152 lbers and below -- 170 max before weight cuts -- can run sub 20. Those who do a little speed work would have relatively little difficulty breaking 18 minutes. I think a sub-15 5k is special.
A boxer that runs can obviously run fast.
A boxer who races a 5k solely on boxing conditioning would have to be genetically LUCKY to get under 20.
Seriously, name a boxer with no running background, logging zero miles a week, and can run a 20 minute 5k just from punching a bag and dancing laterally around a ring a few steps at a time.
Obviously boxers are way fitter than runners. That said, boxing cardio is not running cardio. Boxing is best described as "sustained anaerobic activity". Not aerobic.
You could have stopped there. All boxers are running as part of their conditioning.
learn the systems wrote:
you have the nerve wrote:
Boxers are way, way, way fitter than runners. Boxing is very much a cardio sport, and competitive boxers have insane cardio.
I'm not even a good boxer (15 amateur fights) or runner but I've run / won road races with 16:30 5ks while training. I've seen a guy in my area run 9:40s for 2 miles while training for the golden gloves.
A state or regional class amateur 3-round fighter typically runs 3-5 miles a day on top of another 2 hours of training including 15 - 20 minutes of jump rope. A good pro fighter is doing more like 5 - 8 miles several times a week.
Boxing rings are absorbent and absolutely drain your legs. Moving around the ring for 3 minutes feels like running 20 second sprints with 20 second jogs in the sand. I've seen excellent runners gas out from one or two minutes of sparring. Sparring might be 4-5 rounds once or twice a week (more leading up to a longer pro fight). In addition to this, most shadowboxing is done in the ring.
The pacing of fights / sparring is incredibly taxing. You explode, rest, explode, rest, explode, rest, ... plus your dealing with unwanted physical pain in addition to the self-induced cardio-type pain. Running feels easy afterwards.
I'd imagine most competitive 152 lbers and below -- 170 max before weight cuts -- can run sub 20. Those who do a little speed work would have relatively little difficulty breaking 18 minutes. I think a sub-15 5k is special.
A boxer that runs can obviously run fast.
A boxer who races a 5k solely on boxing conditioning would have to be genetically LUCKY to get under 20.
Seriously, name a boxer with no running background, logging zero miles a week, and can run a 20 minute 5k just from punching a bag and dancing laterally around a ring a few steps at a time.
Obviously boxers are way fitter than runners. That said, boxing cardio is not running cardio. Boxing is best described as "sustained anaerobic activity". Not aerobic.
That doesn’t exist.
I am Sam wrote:
Same old, same old negative responses when someone tells of 'non-runners' that can run faster than the majority of numpties on this so called runners forum.
Even boundary umpires in AFL run 16:20 for 5km, the average distance they cover in a game is 16km (more than the players' average) and the cumulative amount of distance sub 2:50/km is 1.2km
...no, I am not going to provide examples, please google yourself
16:20 in a 5K isn't that impressive. GPS trackers have shown 16km. The game length is 80 min but usually over 100 min with plus time. So you definitely have to be fit although not a world-class athlete.
I am also highly suspicious of the accuracy of GPS tracking this kind of movement where there are start and stops and significant changes in direction. GPS doesn't always handle that well. I know when I run a marathon the GPS is usually within a tenth or two of a mile of the actual distance. But if I do intervals on the track the curves alone will throw my GPS off by over 5%.
Tavb wrote:
This is not surprising. Most amateur boxers run 40 mpw and spend about 3-5 hours a day on conditioning. Elites will be doing a lot more and their training is a lot harder and multifaceted than an average D1 college runner’s training.
I remember my father telling me a story about being in the Navy in the early 1950s when he was stationed on Guam, and they were sent out for a 14 mile run. He said the boxers in their group trounced the rest of the field .
Michinoku Driver wrote:
The Land of Rising Sun wrote:
He is a former track athlete who finished 6th in the country in 3000m (and 7th in 1500m) as a 9th grader.
He went on to have a successful high school career which included more appearances at national meets.
Prior to becoming a boxer Andy ran the 3000 in 8:30 high school, and has also run 30 flat for 10k. He's a one-off talent who excels at running not because he's a boxer, but in spite of it.
This is a really stupid thread. He is a runner. He also happens to have taken up professional boxing. His runner background probably helped with his boxing success. Why is it astonishing that a runner would also choose to box? Hubble, the famous physicist also boxed professionally. Is it any more surprising that a physicist could be a boxer than that a runner could be a boxer?
intenserunner wrote:
Michinoku Driver wrote:
Prior to becoming a boxer Andy ran the 3000 in 8:30 high school, and has also run 30 flat for 10k. He's a one-off talent who excels at running not because he's a boxer, but in spite of it.
This is a really stupid thread. He is a runner. He also happens to have taken up professional boxing. His runner background probably helped with his boxing success. Why is it astonishing that a runner would also choose to box? Hubble, the famous physicist also boxed professionally. Is it any more surprising that a physicist could be a boxer than that a runner could be a boxer?
Rod Serling, Roy Scheider, and Bob Hope also boxed before focusing their efforts elsewhere. The point of this thread was not that a runner chose to box, but rather that an athlete has succeeded at such a high level -a level that is rare if not unprecedented- in two such disparate sports. Andy ran an 8:30 3000 as a 9th grader, and is now 14-0 as a pro prizefighter.