Vaporfly's do it again!! 59 yr old Tommy Hughes runs 2:27:52 marathon as he and son set father/son world record in Frankfurt

I can’t wait to see the all of the 59 year old guys running 2:27 at Boston. I’ll have $1000 in cash for you at the finish line.

let's never give credit to training and psychology or all the other factors that go into peak performance. Weak sauce

Otq dreamer wrote:

I can’t wait to see the all of the 59 year old guys running 2:27 at Boston. I’ll have $1000 in cash for you at the finish line.

He didn't i can assure you, i was doing Frankfurt and both sped away from me in seamless fashion. Remarkable achievement, Tommy Hughes was an olympian in 1992. Still runs amazing times in all distances.

A fantastic achievement for the Hughes family.

There must be an answer wrote:

it ain't the shoes wrote:

I can't believe people are talking about the shoes with this guy. He's 59 years old. The shoes aren't what's doing it for him.

Well...if it's not the shoes then what is it then? ? How many 59 year olds can run 2:27 let alone even finish a marathon under 3 hours?

First find out how many world class runners are 59 and still getting after it with a competitive training program. Your comment is a text book straw man argument.

Otq dreamer wrote:

I can’t wait to see the all of the 59 year old guys running 2:27 at Boston. I’ll have $1000 in cash for you at the finish line.

With the shoes, no problem. Without Vaporflys no chance.

Narrow minded wrote:

There must be an answer wrote:

Well...if it's not the shoes then what is it then? ? How many 59 year olds can run 2:27 let alone even finish a marathon under 3 hours?

First find out how many world class runners are 59 and still getting after it with a competitive training program. Your comment is a text book straw man argument.

It's not a straw

man. I'm not talking about 59 year old former world class runners who are "still getting after it." And being competitive at age 59 or older doesn't automatically mean you can run super fast times. I'm talking about a 59 yr old running a time compatible with a sub-elite 30 yrs younger than him. Do you understand we're talking about age 59 here and not 29?

Perhaps it's exceptional aging genetics that would allow the consistent high level of training necessary to run a time like that when age-related musculoskeletal degenerative changes start occurring at 50. We've certainly seen incredible anti-aging genetics with the times Ed Whitlock has completed over the years of his running. So, maybe there's more middle-aged genetic specimens out there than I realize.

Wear & tear from decades of running marathons has left me with chronic injuries & OA at age 60 - I can barely finish a marathon under 4 hrs these days. Posters like you think they know so much about age-related performance decline as if they're a grandmasters/senior runner themselves.

Logically Thinking wrote:

Wear & tear from decades of running marathons has left me with chronic injuries & OA at age 60 - I can barely finish a marathon under 4 hrs these days. Posters like you think they know so much about age-related performance decline as if they're a grandmasters/senior runner themselves.

Maybe you spent decades overdoing it and ignoring good advice?

train don't strain wrote:

Logically Thinking wrote:

Wear & tear from decades of running marathons has left me with chronic injuries & OA at age 60 - I can barely finish a marathon under 4 hrs these days. Posters like you think they know so much about age-related performance decline as if they're a grandmasters/senior runner themselves.

Maybe you spent decades overdoing it and ignoring good advice?

C'mon man - are you even a grandmasters/senior runner yourself? Hughes was an elite runner who freaking qualified for the 92 Olympics! Do you have any clue what kind of training an elite international-level marathon runner has to do? ? So, he got good advice and didn't overdo it? I

Logically Thinking wrote:

C'mon man - are you even a grandmasters/senior runner yourself? Hughes was an elite runner who freaking qualified for the 92 Olympics! Do you have any clue what kind of training an elite international-level marathon runner has to do? ? So, he got good advice and didn't overdo it? I

I'm 57 my joints are doing fine because I never overtrained. Yes I'm a smug know it all, but I'm an injury free smug know it all.

If I want to run fast when I'm 60 I will have to start serious training right about now and train even smarter than before.

Maybe you should just give up running and ride a bicycle instead?

train don't strain wrote:

Logically Thinking wrote:

C'mon man - are you even a grandmasters/senior runner yourself? Hughes was an elite runner who freaking qualified for the 92 Olympics! Do you have any clue what kind of training an elite international-level marathon runner has to do? ? So, he got good advice and didn't overdo it? I

I'm 57 my joints are doing fine because I never overtrained. Yes I'm a smug know it all, but I'm an injury free smug know it all.

If I want to run fast when I'm 60 I will have to start serious training right about now and train even smarter than before.

Maybe you should just give up running and ride a bicycle instead?

What kind of mileage and what times have you been running this year?

better you bet wrote:

[quote]train don't strain wrote:

What kind of mileage and what times have you been running this year?

Enough to stay healthy. Not enough to race seriously. And without serious dedication it ain't gonna happen again.

I may feel different in a few years, but now it's just for fun and the feelgood factor.

Your missing my point completely. Yet again you trow in your inability to fast as a comparison to what he can do. Where you an Olympic level athlete in your youth? I’ve never said I have special knowledge on being a 60 year old. But I do understand basic logic and the definition of straw man argument.

“ How many 59 year olds can run 2:27 let alone even finish a marathon under 3 hours?”

This is a comment that only filters your dataset to age. Not filter on other very key characteristics. So your using a person that has a life time PB of 24 minutes for a 5k and then saying they can’t break 3 hours in a marathon at 60 as relevant. How is that relevant? How is that not a straw man argument?

His marathon times are so strong compared to his 5k and 10k. I guess that's the strength from decades of base miles. Gives me hope of running a fast marathon in the future.

Zlatan wrote:

His marathon times are so strong compared to his 5k and 10k. I guess that's the strength from decades of base miles. Gives me hope of running a fast marathon in the future.

Like another poster said, he is using all those races as training. He will be working hard in those races but not tapering.

If he really wanted to run a fast 5k, 10k half marathon whatever, he would be much faster than those times.

Narrow minded wrote:

First find out how many world class runners are 59 and still getting after it with a competitive training program. Your comment is a text book straw man argument.

I would guess not many? Was Frank Shorter "getting after it" with a competitive training program at 59? Maybe he was but now at age 70 or so, he's had a partial knee-replacement and back surgery and isn't running much.

One international-level elite I found who is "getting after it" is Spaniard Martin Fiz, who was the 95 WC and ran a *2:08:05* in his prime. At age 53, he ran a 2:30:57 at Boston in 2016. However, still 3 minutes slower and 6 years younger than Hughes.

train don't strain wrote:

better you bet wrote:

[quote]train don't strain wrote:

What kind of mileage and what times have you been running this year?

Enough to stay healthy. Not enough to race seriously. And without serious dedication it ain't gonna happen again.

I may feel different in a few years, but now it's just for fun and the feelgood factor.

I guess you are too busy in the lab and writing your book, Jon?

Steve Moneghetti is still "getting after it"

Stupid post - you sound like some of these college kids who have no experience running as a grandmasters/senior competitor. If you're not then - I'll debate you on Grandmasters training thread here where things like this can be discussed more logically with older runners. ?

old, but not slow wrote:

Steve Moneghetti is still "getting after it"

Fine...what's his age and most recent marathon time?