M55 10k in 31:36

Yes, it is genetics.

Fiz has very good blog. Has not updated since Berlin 2017 if I recall but does post much of his training.

Single runs; averages 15k per day at the least; trains with heart rate monitor and uses longer intervals of varying paces; 3k-2k-1k with the odd 200m / 100m. session or 1min / 1min.

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Pharmaceutical outlier.

I don't understand the consternation. His time doesn't seem out of line with the WRs of the other age groups around him.

M40 27:47.8 Bernard Lagat

M45 29:37 Driss Lakhouaja

M50 30:35 Tecwyn Davies

M55 31:36 Martin Fiz

M60 32:48 Martin Rees

M65 35:35.9 Albert Anderegg

He's a long time high level runner who probably trains hard and stays uninjured.

abednigo wrote:

I don't understand the consternation.

Jealousy.

[quote]Runnerboy1 wrote:

www.runner.es/

[trains with heart rate monitor

The older I get the more I wish I did this when I was young. I have a friend in his late 40's who just started using a heart rate monitor- he has seen drastic and quick improvement in speed, strength, and overall feeling better (because his recovery days are at the correct pace, his intervals and tempo runs are at the proper pace (usually slower than what he was used to).

I'm very tempted to go that route.

abednigo wrote:

I don't understand the consternation. His time doesn't seem out of line with the WRs of the other age groups around him.

M40 27:47.8 Bernard Lagat

M45 29:37 Driss Lakhouaja

M50 30:35 Tecwyn Davies

M55 31:36 Martin Fiz

M60 32:48 Martin Rees

M65 35:35.9 Albert Anderegg

He's a long time high level runner who probably trains hard and stays uninjured.

I can't help but feel that Lagat is going to completely rewrite all those masters records in the age groups above him...

master blasted wrote:

abednigo wrote:

I don't understand the consternation. His time doesn't seem out of line with the WRs of the other age groups around him.

M40 27:47.8 Bernard Lagat

M45 29:37 Driss Lakhouaja

M50 30:35 Tecwyn Davies

M55 31:36 Martin Fiz

M60 32:48 Martin Rees

M65 35:35.9 Albert Anderegg

He's a long time high level runner who probably trains hard and stays uninjured.

I can't help but feel that Lagat is going to completely rewrite all those masters records in the age groups above him...

Good. Somebody needs to.

runn wrote:

[quote]Runnerboy1 wrote:

www.runner.es/

[trains with heart rate monitor

The older I get the more I wish I did this when I was young. I have a friend in his late 40's who just started using a heart rate monitor- he has seen drastic and quick improvement in speed, strength, and overall feeling better (because his recovery days are at the correct pace, his intervals and tempo runs are at the proper pace (usually slower than what he was used to).

I'm very tempted to go that route.

Why don't you just learn to train properly?

Then, just go that route. If you are over 40, what do you have to lose? But give it a honest effort and don't judge results before you commit to HR training for at least a year. It takes away some enjoyment at the beginning, esp. for a long time runner use to run however he/she feels that day. After few months, it becomes habit, and you hit the correct pace and effort without constantly checking the monitor.

And yep, I have seen results, even though I had used HR monitor before, albeit without long term view or consistency. And I have run since my teens, and quite fast too. Now in my 40s, I have finally learned what is the right effort for easy, steady and LT runs. I didn't have to learn how to run hard, I knew that, I just can run hard now, when I want/need, and can enjoy it. You cannot apply the same rules of hard and easy running, you had applied when you were young and could recover from whatever stupid effort you tried.

Nowadays, I feel envigorated and could give a crap that older guys are huffing trying to run 3s/mile faster on their recovery days, yet I can run 2min faster over 5000m, or spank them by 10min in longer events. Even if you don't race anymore, it is worth it for the sake of running easy and on fresher legs.

runn wrote:

[quote]Runnerboy1 wrote:

www.runner.es/

[trains with heart rate monitor

The older I get the more I wish I did this when I was young. I have a friend in his late 40's who just started using a heart rate monitor- he has seen drastic and quick improvement in speed, strength, and overall feeling better (because his recovery days are at the correct pace, his intervals and tempo runs are at the proper pace (usually slower than what he was used to).

I'm very tempted to go that route.

Hi, Garmin employee!

master blasted wrote:

abednigo wrote:

I don't understand the consternation. His time doesn't seem out of line with the WRs of the other age groups around him.

M40 27:47.8 Bernard Lagat

M45 29:37 Driss Lakhouaja

M50 30:35 Tecwyn Davies

M55 31:36 Martin Fiz

M60 32:48 Martin Rees

M65 35:35.9 Albert Anderegg

He's a long time high level runner who probably trains hard and stays uninjured.

I can't help but feel that Lagat is going to completely rewrite all those masters records in the age groups above him...

I wonder if Rupp will still be able to run under 30 Minutes for the 10k when he is 50? 55? 60?

I don't understand all the consternation either. Fiz was a genetic outlier in his prime, as all world-class athletes are, with a 10k PR of 27:49. For him to be running that distance nearly 4 minutes slower 21 years later is not at all out of line for someone who has stayed healthy, trains smart, and continues to run for the love of it.

douglas burke wrote:

master blasted wrote:

I can't help but feel that Lagat is going to completely rewrite all those masters records in the age groups above him...

I wonder if Rupp will still be able to run under 30 Minutes for the 10k when he is 50? 55? 60?

I think he'll be too beat up by then...don't you think? He's already got injuries plus that Achilles surgery.

Jack LaLanne 8 wrote:

I don't understand all the consternation either. Fiz was a genetic outlier in his prime, as all world-class athletes are, with a 10k PR of 27:49. For him to be running that distance nearly 4 minutes slower 21 years later is not at all out of line for someone who has stayed healthy, trains smart, and continues to run for the love of it.

Whatever happen to his teammate & training partner Abel Anton? I wonder if he's running at all? Remember these two really smoked the World Championship marathon scene in the 90s - they won several medals between the two of them. Espana ruled the WC marathon scene in the 90s! ??

Jack LaLanne 8 wrote:

I don't understand all the consternation either. Fiz was a genetic outlier in his prime, as all world-class athletes are, with a 10k PR of 27:49. For him to be running that distance nearly 4 minutes slower 21 years later is not at all out of line for someone who has stayed healthy, trains smart, and continues to run for the love of it.

No one takes the Spanish (or Moroccan) performances from "EPO's Golden Age" seriously. Once those guys saw even a modicum of testing, they vanished into the ether. Maybe this guy is clean now, but it is like when the Russian women were cleaning up on the master's scene.

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