spade detector wrote:
I'm obsessed with intellectual integrity, of which you have none.
Lol, look at you posting under another name again just before you use your Spade Detector handle.
'Sometimes we train together' implies much more than the 'training 3 times in the last ten years' as Canova claimed.
You're just a doping apologist with nothing constructive to say about the situation in Kenya and who sides with an obsessive troll who likes to harass me by repeatedly posting bestiality and rape fantasies.
"I'm obsessed with intellectual integrity, of which you have none."
I didn't make a big deal of it, but even "Passport Era Doping" seemed to agree that there is a big difference between 5th fastest and 18th fastest. I accepted "Passport Era Doping"'s response as truthful, and the big difference between the two numbers has been explained now. With respect to determining "doping" or "elite", the difference between 5th or 18th doesn't much matter. I didn't actually say "training partners of dopers are insignificant", but said "I don't see how it is relevant". Now that you've explained it is just a presumption on your part, that helps me understand the relevance a bit better.
Coevett wrote:
You made a big thing about her having the 18th fastest 10k time rather than 5th (even though she did have the 5th fastest time).
Because the person you were replying to offered that as an explanation as to the apparent inaccuracy on Wikipedia (although as I said, she did have the '5th fastest time' when she set the time).
You're the only person who thinks the training partners of dopers are insignificant. I presume that part of the new 'intelligence led' system of targeted testing that the IAAF announced recently looks at training partners, so they seem to think it's important.
Lots of Russians and Bulgarians on the list, but no one from the USA or Britain. Interestiung. Clearly some nations have protected status since everyone knows the drugs were invented, made and are primarily consumed in the USA !
it says a lot about you wrote:
LoneStarXC wrote:
^This.^
Not that.
It says a lot about you that you side with Coevett and believe LRC articles and MSM content without questioning its veracity. And when Canova comes here, someone who know the athletes personally, and says they are not training partners, you choose to dismiss that as a lie.
Not really. I don’t always side with Coevett, because I think that doping isn’t just a problem in Kenya. But with the training partners thing, a quick google search showed lots of articles indicating that they are training partners, including one from a Kenyan newspaper, so from that I figured that they are, in fact, training partners.
Who is the management and coach of these two athletes?
I found that Davor Savija was Joyce's management, but that link was from 2015, so I am not sure that is current. Prior to that she was managed by Zane Branson who died of a heart attack in Kenya in 2014, but Davor was his business partner, so I kind of assume he just took over management of any clients. Her current management appears to be Gianni Demadonna. At one point she was coached by her husband Erick Kibet. Again I am not sure that is up to date but I can find a date confirming that for 2018.
I found an interview with Joyce in which she says her best friend in running is Emily Chebet, who was also banned for doping. And yes, many many references going back years to Florence Kiplagat being her partner as well.
Jacob Kibet Chuylo Kendagor is managed by Frans Dennison. Can't find any information on a coach or training partners. Maybe I will look again later and see if I can dig that up.
Lets get some facts wrote:
Who is the management and coach of these two athletes?
I found that Davor Savija was Joyce's management, but that link was from 2015, so I am not sure that is current. Prior to that she was managed by Zane Branson who died of a heart attack in Kenya in 2014, but Davor was his business partner, so I kind of assume he just took over management of any clients. Her current management appears to be Gianni Demadonna. At one point she was coached by her husband Erick Kibet. Again I am not sure that is up to date but I can find a date confirming that for 2018.
I found an interview with Joyce in which she says her best friend in running is Emily Chebet, who was also banned for doping. And yes, many many references going back years to Florence Kiplagat being her partner as well.
Jacob Kibet Chuylo Kendagor is managed by Frans Dennison. Can't find any information on a coach or training partners. Maybe I will look again later and see if I can dig that up.
yeah but that statement is damaging to the deniers and apologists....but lets all listen to God of all distance running Canova, he is the truth and the light.....thats why kenyan runners are "glowing" so much these days lolz
Of course -- all that -- but when you say "could have been", a competing theory is "could have not been", especially when the doping violation post dates the best times by several years. This is the stalemate that caused so many other lengthy threads without any progress beyond "could have been".
PLK is working to find the drug cheats wrote:
I don't think Kenyan wasn't doing many ABP blood samples before PLK or there should have been some cases over the prior years (like Russia, Ukraine, Morroco, Turkey, etc.). They may have taken a blood sample now & then along with a urine sample for an IC drug screen but I don't think they were getting OOC blood draws to establish a longitudinal profile. Any IC blood draws may have been used for target testing.
Chepkirui and the other Kenyan ABP cases could have been doping off and on over the last several years and didn't get flagged until PLK came on line and started obtaining enough samples for a longitudinal profile. It would be interesting to see how many drug controls Chepkirui had over the last several years. If she had a fair number of tests - she was getting some good advice on anti-doping countermeasures to avoid glowing but the ABP eventually caught up with her.
Btw, here's good report on PLK lab in Nairobi:
Lets get some facts wrote:
Who is the management and coach of these two athletes?
I found that Davor Savija was Joyce's management, but that link was from 2015, so I am not sure that is current. Prior to that she was managed by Zane Branson who died of a heart attack in Kenya in 2014, but Davor was his business partner, so I kind of assume he just took over management of any clients. Her current management appears to be Gianni Demadonna. At one point she was coached by her husband Erick Kibet. Again I am not sure that is up to date but I can find a date confirming that for 2018.
I found an interview with Joyce in which she says her best friend in running is Emily Chebet, who was also banned for doping. And yes, many many references going back years to Florence Kiplagat being her partner as well.
Jacob Kibet Chuylo Kendagor is managed by Frans Dennison. Can't find any information on a coach or training partners. Maybe I will look again later and see if I can dig that up.
+1
Good work!
rekrunner wrote:
Of course -- all that -- but when you say "could have been", a competing theory is "could have not been", especially when the doping violation post dates the best times by several years.
This is the stalemate that caused so many other lengthy threads without any progress beyond "could have been".
You seem to be the only person who hasn't noticed that Kenyan busts appear to be happening with ever more increasing regularity. Most would put this fact down to the improved testing.
Coevett wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Of course -- all that -- but when you say "could have been", a competing theory is "could have not been", especially when the doping violation post dates the best times by several years.
This is the stalemate that caused so many other lengthy threads without any progress beyond "could have been".
You seem to be the only person who hasn't noticed that Kenyan busts appear to be happening with ever more increasing regularity. Most would put this fact down to the improved testing.
lolz and the doping deniers and apologists will prob start this response...
"the kenyans are just starting to dope now, cause the only way to compete with the doping whiteys is to take EPO"
protectedstatus wrote:
Lots of Russians and Bulgarians on the list, but no one from the USA or Britain. Interestiung. Clearly some nations have protected status since everyone knows the drugs were invented, made and are primarily consumed in the USA !
I think you mean Belarusians - there's no Bulgarians listed:
https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/disciplinary-process/provisional-suspensions-in-forceKenya, Ethiopia, Ukraine & Belarus are all on the IAAF's most at risk to dope/watch list. So...let's keep watching. ?
https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1068060/kenya-and-ethiopia-identified-as-among-countries-most-likely-to-dope-as-iaaf-introduce-new-regulationsMy "competing theory" was about performance. The increasing number of Kenyan busts is not relevant to that, and some of the recent busts seem to support the "competing theory". I don't doubt the number of busts, the improved testing, and high prevelance.
Coevett wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Of course -- all that -- but when you say "could have been", a competing theory is "could have not been", especially when the doping violation post dates the best times by several years.
This is the stalemate that caused so many other lengthy threads without any progress beyond "could have been".
You seem to be the only person who hasn't noticed that Kenyan busts appear to be happening with ever more increasing regularity. Most would put this fact down to the improved testing.
546456 wrote:
Excellent news. Now the likes of Coevett and trollism can stop saying that Kenyans do nothing to catch cheaters.
If only other countries, with very young runners achieving incredible results, would do the same.......
+1
Lets hear el keniano's take on this
It's so far out man !!! Doping in Kenya is in epic proportions!
On time like a swiss clock here they are the kenyans suspended of the month!!
We need to do a contest every month. Who will be the kenyans suspended of the month?
Where's el K? wrote:
Lets hear el keniano's take on this
Obviously living rent-free in your head, Coevett.
El Coevettiano wrote:
Where's el K? wrote:
Lets hear el keniano's take on this
Obviously living rent-free in your head, Coevett.
Still be interesting to hear your take on this latest Kenyan disgrace though.
Guessing we've already heard it mind you amongst the 'random name' posters in this thread.
i agree.the drug assisted norwegian brothers should be the first to go down,then the jamaicans,french and dutch,and ill be happy once usa and britain finally get exposed,and banned as the mass cheats they are.then ill be convinced that drug testing works.