East Africans are not genetically superior

I wonder why the Kenyans are so good when they do not have the genetic adviantages of the Ethiopian highlanders.

Sir Lance-alot wrote:

...Are white kids in this country told "not to sprint" anywhere or in any other sports, lest they discover they are fast and decide to become sprinters and ruin the black runners dominance?? Is that it??? Another "keep down whitey" persecution conspiracy???

You guys are funny.

Yes, white kids are told they can't do this, can't do that, you're the bad guy, non-whites are pristine, superior, all the time. The inculcation of self hate into whites is evident in the fact that so many white people on this board fall all over themselves to show they aren't racist by trying to show how much they can denigrate whitey first.

E. Africans have a higher percentage of talented individuals and do enjoy a bit of political protection. That combo makes for dominance when coupled with competition against the rest of the world's people who don't care about distance running for the most part.

WOW. there has been some great things said here. i really admire my fellow scientists who use quantitative analysis and studies to reason deductively. i like the argument paper by larson and think this could be a reason why when conditions are muddy at the world cross meet the europeans and americans do better comparitively (mud takes away from biomechanics unless your bekele and things are left up to VO2). the west africans aren't posting sprint times like the US and jamaica. why? slave trade and breeding. slavers were the selective pressure in creating a superior class of athletes to work on plantations etc. this translated to sprinting, boxing, football, etc. chris rock even touched on this in a comedy act. keep up the good posts!

East Africans? Shit.

The fittest guys in the world are the Nepalese Sherpas.

The US army guidelines say that a backpack should weigh no more than 15% of a soldier’s weight.

These guys carry an average load of 93% of their weight climbing up and down 8000mt (26,000ft) heights.

A fifth of them carry 125% of their bodyweight and one was found to carry an astonishing 183%!

Tests reveal that loads of up to 20% of their bodyweight were carried ‘free’ - meaning that the porters metabolic rate did not increase at all compared to unladen walks!

After carrying all the food, liquid and equipment up to the base camps, they then have to shepherd their exhausted and wheezing clients up to the top of Everest and then dismantle the tents and any other gear and carry all that back down.

Not only are they fit just for climbing with heavy loads -one highly sexed Norwegian women found for five nights in a row, the lack of sexual desire and stamina experienced by Western men at 22,000ft didn’t extend to her two personal Sherpas!

She also discovered that between them, they’d climbed Everest 22 times!

Does anybody seriously think anyone other than a member of a race who have lived and worked at altitude for hundreds (thousands?) of years could begin to match their inborn strength and stamina?

Interesting posting..

Nepal seems to win the prize with regards to "Machismo!"..rather odd when one takes note of their mild demeanor and often small stature...

I would not disagree....how about the Gurkhas?

Who would I want to go to combat with?

SAS, Delta force, Legonnaires, Green Berets?......all impressive but none the caliber of the Gurkhas...

...hmmmm...wasn't Vigil recently seen in Nepal with a stop watch and the engineers from Atlas Track?

Hahaha, this thread hasn't aged well at all.

Let's see now,WRs in 800,3K,SC,5K,10K,M.

I'll say they are.

Hahaha Coevett! This thread has aged extremely well!

The part you highlighted supports your view that anyone running faster than the Kenyans must be a doper.

Runrayb wrote:

Population of Kenya - 33,829,590

Population of Ethiopia - 73,053,286

Population of the World - 6,446,131,400

Today

Population of Kenya - 52.57 million

Population of Ethiopia - 112.1 million

Population of the World - 7.674 billion

Morocco + Algeria + Tunisia = 93 millions

So we can still put some challenge to these Kenyan/Ethiopian

With Atlas and Rif mountains, we have the second highest mountains in Africa after the historic catalytic East African region.

I think that people from every corner of the world have this "talent" to run but there is a higher proportion of people with this "talent" in east africa the reason why I am not calling it a gene is because a wide range of genes and circumstance count to a world class running. There is NOT a singular explaination to the success of east africa it is a mix of things. I partially agree with this post though people from other nations also have the talent which is why people from other places find success but this proportion is hiher in ethiopia. Another thing is culture uganda were no-where in distance running a few years ago you can say doping but you can't dope successfully without talent. It is culture mixed with the higher proortion of people with the talent to run and other things

Ain't 1857 wrote:

Let's see now,WRs in 800,3K,SC,5K,10K,M.

I'll say they are.

But you do need to mention the 150+ Kenyan busts, including Olympic Champions, World Champions, and World record holders.

It's quite possible GB will win more middle-distance medals than Kenya will. If you had predicted that in 2005, you would have been considered out of your mind. And the Kenyan Gold medal threat Tim is only in the team because of those 150+ busts.

It's genetics. Get over it. Like being tall in basketball doesn't generally help. Or having lots of body mass doesn't help in the hammer, shot and discus.

Do you think Farah could have been a world and Olympic champion in the shot ??!??!?!

Passant wrote:

Morocco + Algeria + Tunisia = 93 millions

So we can still put some challenge to these Kenyan/Ethiopian

With Atlas and Rif mountains, we have the second highest mountains in Africa after the historic catalytic East African region.

Congo population 86.79m

With mountains in the east

Yet we can't win a thing

Olympic medals 0

World champ medals 0

Depressing, to busy running away from savage killers

Passant, your population has doubled since the days of El G and Morcelli and a host of world class runners along with them. Now your only good North African is an immigrant to Spain who has appeared out of nowhere after 12 months of pandemic and zero testing.

Hmmmm.....

Btw, El G was born and raised at 70m sea level. The only runner's gene Moroccans possess is a predisposition to cheat.

Kenya and Ethiopia have one of the greatest population growth in the world.

In North Africa, Egypt lead with a high population growth. The countries with less populaztion growth in the Arabic world are Tunisia and Morocco.

Some countries in Africa (like Congo) don't have Elite athletes, it's because of Economical and Politic and instability issues.

If it was a simple matter of genetics, then EAST Africans would be far more dominant than they are. They are not even dominant over 800m and 1500m, Only two Kenyans have still run faster than Coe and Cruz - a white Indian and a white/West African Brazillian.

150 million with zero obesity, EVERY talented sportsperson is funneled into distance running, until recently zero testing with EPO available over the counter for peanuts, and this is the best they can do? Potatoe Tim struggling to hold off a 19 year old Norwegian kid and a Scot whose brother is a 240 lb international rugby player?

Coevett wrote:

Passant, your population has doubled since the days.

Population of Morocco didn't double. In fact, we have a slow population growth in the last 25 years.

Population growth rate, 2020

United Kingdom 0.5%

France 0.23%

Germany Tunisia 1.02%

USA 0.58%

Tunisia 1.02%

Morocco 1.18%

Algeria 1.78%

Egypt 1.89%

Sudan 2.39%

Ethiopia 2.52%

Kenya 2.24%

Uganda 3.12%

Congo 3.12%

South Africa 1.25% (as you can see we are better than South Africa)%

Saudi Arabia 1.54%

Iraq 2.32%