Look at Sarah Hall's progression. Either Gwenn is on that progression or she needs to think about it. But, there does appear to be friction between here and her current coach. She is just so eager to race when she's not ready. She's still acclimating to the mileage. Her eagerness to race is going to end her career
She should cut her losses and TRI harder...
Frodo can bike with the best...Gwen cannot.
The saddest part of the Gwen Jorgensen Movie is that the other American marathon runners are being ignored. Did the Chicago organizers put Sarah Crouch up on the stage with Gwen?
Wejo baits us with several Gwen threads.
The hard work and dedication of the real female marathon runners is being ignored.
Having been through a 3-4 day fever 2 weeks before my first marathon, I'd say she did pretty well. The marathon amplifies everything, and she's probably going to be sick for another month or two. On a good day, I say she goes sub 2:30 easily, maybe 2:25.
48yroldrunna wrote:
Not saying it's not total BS, but Gwen did say she had a fever all week and felt bad from the start of the race.
I wouldn't call this disappointing . At least she's the first American woman to finish and got the A standard.
ScriptedConnection wrote:
I wouldn't call this disappointing . At least she's the first American woman to finish and got the A standard.
She was the fifth American woman to finish.
Sarah Crouch (2:32:37)
Taylor Ward (2:32:42)
Kate Landau (2:33:26)
Marci Klimek (2:34:53)
Gwen Jorgensen (2:36:23)
She did get the A standard though.
Being sick this week explains everything. I need two weeks for my workouts to get back to normal after I’m sick.
It was clear from the first 5k that something was off. You don’t hit the wall 3 miles into a marathon.
She’s probably done tempos runs faster than her first 5k today.
Sad Story wrote:
The saddest part of the Gwen Jorgensen Movie is that the other American marathon runners are being ignored. Did the Chicago organizers put Sarah Crouch up on the stage with Gwen?
Wejo baits us with several Gwen threads.
The hard work and dedication of the real female marathon runners is being ignored.
Utter nonsense. Those other runners are being ignored because they haven't done anything. Has Sarah Crouch won any gold medals? Any world championships? If you think Sarah Crouch would receive any publicity if Gwen wasn't there is delusional.
Gramps wrote:
She Stupid wrote:
[quote]She's okay wrote:
I think she should focus on the 10k. She
Back to the Tri.
back to the kitchen
Focus on family ..her ego worse than Gweneth Paltrow's
Gwen is a legend in her own mind.
Reality.
Triathletes are javk of 3 trades and masters of none.
It's actually still a good performance. She could still target making Olympics as an outside shot.
Talent is more important than ego.
5 Pages in and still no one's offered the obvious answer? GREECE.
She battled a fever all week, but doesn’t want to use sickness as an excuse? Pfft. It’s the marathon. If you aren’t 100% healthy you are going to suffer and have a bad day. The mindset that she could race well despite the health issue in he week leading up shows that she doesn’t know the marathon yet. She may never be good at it, but in my opinion that issue isn’t decided off of a first effort where she was sick going into it.
The training aspect is interesting.
You have someone like Carrie Dimoff, that ran a 2:30 marathon last year on something like 60 mile weeks with a full time job (and 2 kids with a partner that also works full time). She's been a competitive runner for many years, so even though she's low mileage, she has a lifelong running background.
And then you have Gwen Jorgensen, who, coming from a (relatively) light running background, goes from very little running to 120 mile weeks in a year or so, while training for what is essentially her first "real" marathon. Who would think that's a good idea? The only real justification, which I'm sure is the idea, is that all eggs are in the Olympic basket, so even though her first marathon is unlikely to go well in that scenario, it's all in service to the longer term goal. It certainly doesn't seem like it's going to work for her.
If you think about it, most successful marathoners tend to fall into two camps: those who work their times down substantially over many years (Des Linden is the most obvious example) and those who show an affinity for the distance almost right off the bat (Jordan Hasay, Ryan Hall are great examples, but also all the other American women who landed on the podium of their first marathon). Unfortunately for Jorgensen, she doesn't have the time line to build over many years, and she doesn't seem to have the extreme natural affinity.
She is not, at the moment, competitive enough for a DL podium finish in either the 5k or the 10k.
Hey Wejo,
You once posted that professional male (I believe it was U.S.) marathoners don’t always perform better than their initial marathon PBs.
Have you found this to be true with women in the marathon too or are they more likely to improve in their careers by running more?
And Gwen got whooped by Kate Landau - who is over 40!
wejo wrote:
She had a fever this week I think that gives her run an *
The marathon isn't any other event. You have to be 100% ready to go.
Having said that I'd love to know what they really wanted her to run today. 18 minutes 5ks was slower than I thought she'd do. And she doesn't look to be a natural like Hasay.
She said post-interview they were looking at 5:40s initially, so a 2:28. I think that's doable for her. Believe she wasn't in the best of health this week, and also that she's overtired from the high mileage she's not used to.
A gold in Tokyo--I don't know though. There are waves of East African women running sub 2:22s. But do we have to take these goals quite so literally? Probably everyone who runs Olympic trials for their country has that dream. It'll be super hot--or not, maybe there will be a tsunami--you never know what will happen.
When I see Molly Huddle running she looks tall to me, yet she's listed at 5'5". Paula seemed like a giant and she's listed as 5'8". Gwen is listed at 5'10".
She's the equivalent height of a man who is about 6'3"-6'4".
She has great length for swimming and is heavy enough to put out decent power on the bike. That she could run 15:15 for 5K is super impressive, but lets be real, the longer the distance the worse she is going to get due to her size. The surface area to volume ratio and w/kg don't move in the right direction for a runner as height increases further and further beyond the mean of the population.
Gwen has got a better chance at getting on the podium for the Olympic TT in cycling than she does making the US team in the marathon. Tokyo weather for the marathon will be horrible for anyone her size.