Should Sifan Hassan be DQd?

I watched a full replay of the race and she should DQed simply for racing like an idiot.

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Consequence wrote:

Clearly Muir was going to move past Hassan before reaching the finish line.

Needs to be negative consequence for that kind of tactic.

Muir tried to pass from the middle of lane 1, instead of moving out to lane 2 before passing.

Of course that did not work, due entirely to Muir's bad positioning.

I am with Rojo. That would be enough to stop such moves. Or yes, the full DQ. I was for Hassan, but I am even more for fair play and rules that support that. The only odd thing here is the lapping. Dibaba led with almost the same line as Hassan, worried perhaps that she might overtake the lapped runner. So Hassan could have unconsciously followed that line. But the wide arms are a giveaway, and she herself was not at all likely to catch the about-to-be-lapped runner.

NOP runners like to cut off other runners. Shannon Rowbury cut off Molly Huddle at USA's. They might be coached to do this.

I find it fitting that when someone joins the NOP, they don't merely start in with the PEDs and "grey area" doping. They also lose whatever character and sense of propriety they brought with them in Portland, if any.

When you sign on with that crew, you become part of a cult that stifles individual expression, forbid unscripted interviews, sharply limits social media participation (which isn't always bad), and demands dirty tactics. Look at the Rowbury before and after NOP. Yeah, she ran better, which is what matters most. But she lost a lot of her charm, and not merely because she was associating herself with a gang people knew were ethically challenged.

It really is a bargain with the devil, being part of that club. Most will set lifetime bests. Those who leave under any sort of duress risk being pilloried, and not one of them is regarded with real respect or admiration by other pro coaches or athletes. And it ain't all jealously.

Hassan should be DQ'd at the whims of every judge who comes up with the smallest defensible reason for doing it and the same standard ought to be applied to all those filthy freaks.

observer_of_things wrote:

No, she obviously knew Muir was there so she did it. And that's fine - it's called racing. Have you ever raced? The space was free and she moved in to it. No foul committed. Nowhere does it say she has to run along the rail through the finish.

1. I would hope (that's probably naive of me!) that officials would have made a sound decision. There are officials for that very reason. There wasn't even a protest from Muir's camp to force a careful review.

2. Observer-of-things made some good points...but it was close to being too far of a move to the right for Hassan, and with arms akimbo (which must drive the other women crazy, throughout every race).

That was very obvious obstruction and should have been a DQ. There doesn't have to be contact.

What was Laura Muir's coach doing during and after the race?

Bad Wigins wrote:

That was very obvious obstruction and should have been a DQ. There doesn't have to be contact.

I don't care about Hassan but Dibaba should be banned for life.

I agree with Candian dutchie. I believe that Hassan was concerned that she would run up on slow running Bobecea in lane 1 and without much thought, began to merge into lane 2. But, Dibaba was also concerned that she too would run up on Bobecea and Dibaba merged into lane 2. So, Hassan attempted to pass Dibaba by merging into lane 3. Not to impede Muir, but to pass Dibaba.

You have some issues, don’t you?

Muir had 2900 meters to be one step ahead instead of being one step behind.

rojo wrote:

Al Sal got GG DQd. Is it time one of his athletes gets DQd?

I personally don't think a DQ is the right penalty. I think there should be a penalty where you put Muir 2nd and Hassan 3rd but I'm sorry - you can't do what Hassan just did.

LRC Note: Writeup on the finish here:

http://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/03/sifan-hassan-dqd-impeding-laura-muir/

Looking at the still photo, it looked rough. Once I saw the replay of last 250m, just racing. If Steve Ovett wasn't DQ'ed for his rough action near 400m mark of 1980 Olympic 800m F, then no DQ in women 2018 indoor 3000m.

No. Moving from lane 1 to lane 2 is not enough to warrant an obstruction DQ. I've seen Simpson, Rowbury, Huddle do this countless times. The leading runner has no obligation to get out of the way of the trailing runner. The leading runner can run in any lane they chose. It's the trail runner's responsibility to figure out a way to pass.

wejo wrote:

I don't think it should be a DQ. Under normal circumstances I could see the argument, but would generally say it's racing. However this had 2 different circumstances.

1) Dibaba drifted out into lane 2 to pass a lapped runner. Perhaps Hassan saw that and figured she had to get to 2 anway.

2) Should the fact Hassan's arms go so side all the time factor in? I think so.

I dont think it should be a DQ aswell. BUT my reasoning is way different.

In my opinion this sport is taking the wrong direction if we widen the rulebook too much with too many specified rules and cases.

Its a simple, hardmen sport and the rules should reflect this! Discussions like this which end up in day-long reviewing of pictures, videos from thousand angles should be avoided under all circumstances. Lets spare this mentality for the football and soccer games on this planet but not for running. It works in cross-country (not NCAA type of XC) and it works on the roads. Dont change it.

Technically correct moving from A to B can be seen in sprinting but distance running should remain a little roguish and dirty here and there. It adds a little element of surprise and chaos. Take the races in africa. A guy starting a second too early? Good luck trying to stop the bunch for a restart. A little bit of pushing before a corner or an obstacle? Have fun filing your protest here.

Stuff like this is a key element to the nature and heritage of the sport. You dont see true blue-collar-guy or gal moaning because someone touched him or got in his way, because he made space for himself anyways or even prevented stuff like this through 'clear articulation of his opinion' in previous situations.

There's nothing quite like an official LRC "Hot Take".?

No DQ - this is normal racing, Muir could have have got by if she'd had the speed.