Deal if you post results! Give me a yuuuge goal. But you are way more fit than me!
Deal if you post results! Give me a yuuuge goal. But you are way more fit than me!
Deal. I’ll post the results this evening. Expect great things.
A couple questions for folks who run time trials in training. How do your tt efforts compare to actual races? For me, if 5:20 was 5K race pace, I doubt I could run a solo tt at 5:30 pace, or maybe even 5:40 pace. And secondly, if you experience the same sort of disparity, how does the tt fit in with or inform your training? A great VO2-max workout for sure, but is the main intent to gauge your current fitness and to set other training paces, assuming a Danielsesque approach?
Unless you count and 800m time trial that I ran with 3 of my teammates to see who would be the slow leg on the Millrose games 4 x 800 (which I consider to have been more of a race than a time trial,) I have never run a time trial. I just pick a race in the area to run as my time trial as I figure it will give me a better gauge of my fitness and a time trial. Because, like you Allen, I am unable to come anywhere close to my actual fitness in training.
well where I live I cannot just jump into a race every weekend. Also, I think it can help with focus (which is a huge problem for me and I feel like I under perform racing)
Allen1959 wrote:
A couple questions for folks who run time trials in training. How do your tt efforts compare to actual races? For me, if 5:20 was 5K race pace, I doubt I could run a solo tt at 5:30 pace, or maybe even 5:40 pace. And secondly, if you experience the same sort of disparity, how does the tt fit in with or inform your training? A great VO2-max workout for sure, but is the main intent to gauge your current fitness and to set other training paces, assuming a Danielsesque approach?
I’ve never done a TT before so I don’t know. I would expect to be a little slow given the absence of competition and a proper “taper.” I do have a rabbit (he’s doing a tempo) and will be running in the evening so that should help.
Main goal is to get some vo2 max work and gauge fitness for Houston. If I didn’t have a rabbit I probably would do something else but I can’t pass up the opportunity to get towed along.
TTs are really tough.
3 years ago I was nearing the end of the year and hadn't had my sub 16 5k for the year. So I went to the track and tried to do it solo. I think I ran a 78 on the third lap, and mentally gave up. I ran 1610.
One week later there was a road race and the weather was terrible. My training partner and I had been 1-2 there every year for the past 3 years. Instead of waking up super early (it was a 7 am spring race), we decided to "race" the day before on the track.
The first four laps were 74,74,75 ,74, at which point my buddy couldn't hang. Because it was a "race" I was able to continue, banging out 75-77s and running 1548.
Moral of the story, even a TT disguised as a race is better than a TT.
HOWEVER, RNR brings up a good point about learning discipline in races. Just don't let it discourage you if don't PR.
Ideal splits for a TT (IMO)
80,81,81,81,82,83,82,82,81,81,80,80, whatever you have left.
Your pace will drift in the middle. Concentrate.
runrincerepeat wrote:
ADVICE needed from the people. This week has been super bi polar with a couple big mile days and a couple small ones. When I was running to work this morning I realized that I accidentally mini tapered with only 3 miles + Strides yesterday. I am thinking another easy day today and a Saturday morning solo TT. I have my daughter, usually an off day, but she would love to be the timer as I do laps around the block (its 1k). thoughts? and should it be 2Mile or 5K?
I used to run TTs on a regular basis, but I've stopped doing them in my old age. I feel like I get more out of training if I can log a solid workout instead of a TT.
That said, I can understand doing one if your racing options are limited. IMHO, do the shorter distance. You bleed way more time when TT'ing longer efforts.
angryjohnny wrote:
If I didn’t have a rabbit I probably would do something else but I can’t pass up the opportunity to get towed along.
Yeah, as others have noted, having even just one other person to chase or "race" makes all the difference. My lifetime 800 PR was set one afternoon when a buddy and I stopped at the Guilderland High School track and "raced" two laps. (Capital District reference there for SUNY Albany standout, Smoove). And, RR, yeah, I can see how the tt is great mental training. A huge boost in confidence, too, if you can hold pace solo, or even come close.
Bdubs - Great advice.. its going to be on a road loop around my block which is roughly 1k around. We will see what happens. Seeing my daughter every lap should give me some good motivation!
Good luck dude! Run on pure hate haha
RRR - Good luck. Yes, pure hate, or pure anger (as I would prefer to say) seems to influence things. It seemed to give me some "extra" last night in my unplanned 10k "time trial."
Allen - Thanks very much and I hope you are right. I would love to break into the 2:40s. Right now, that is my goal. Still not sure what to race next (goal race), but it seems as if Shamrock is my only choice for the spring. Right now, I am having fun doing some fast running is the dark, cold, and snow (sometimes). Actually, we have been in a cold snap for a while now and I would prefer a little warmth. My chilblains have been pesky (on my fingers now instead of my toes). The challenge and loneliness of the conditions, though, makes it interesting in its own way. Sometimes I feel as if I am the only one out there, and that I am "carrying the torch" for the runners of the area.
Merry Christmas!!
Question for the group:
You wake up the day before a HM. Your throat is sore. Your kid has been sick and you know you're catching it. No major congestion, but the lymph nodes are enlarged and you don't feel right. Do you race no matter what or save it for another day?
Symptoms are coming on super slow, so I don't think it will be full blown until after the race. But all I want to do is go home and sleep right now. I'm leaning towards medicating and racing anyway because I don't have many races on the schedule.
I'd be too freaked out and wonder where in the world I picked a kid up from!
In all seriousness, I'd most likely still run it unless I felt a lot worse the following morning.
I'd run it if I paid for it already.... Half marathons are what $80 now? Even just to have fun
I would hydrate like crazy today and tonight and then make a game time decision tomorrow. If I remember correctly, you were planning on registering the day of anyway, right? If nothing else, it'll get your long run out of the way and Sunday when you actually feel cruddy you won't be looking at a big day of mileage.
statfanatic wrote:
I would hydrate like crazy today and tonight and then make a game time decision tomorrow. If I remember correctly, you were planning on registering the day of anyway, right? If nothing else, it'll get your long run out of the way and Sunday when you actually feel cruddy you won't be looking at a big day of mileage.
Ooh I like that idea.
Yep, $80 day of registration. If I can squeak out top-3 I might get some of that back.
I hate running less than 100%, but at the same time I haven't run a half in 3 years... It would be nice to have one under my belt before Houston.
Have a hot toddy tonight. Sleep well. And run it. If it gets bad you can always DNF and still have a tempo effort!
Mexican out to eat dinner. Loads of beans and rice and tortillas and guac. Ready to roll manana!
I feel for you, jewbacca. If you think it will not become full-blown until after the race, I would probably run it.
I had a similar situation prior to a marathon, though I was in the very late stage of the cold rather than the early stage, and I ran it. What really helped was this: Alka-Seltzer Plus Multi-Symptom Cold & Flu Night (that is the exact title of it). It is the "free of artificial dyes and preservatives" version (I am one of those natural/organic types). In any case, take two of these pills prior to bedtime, and it will help. This is the best stuff I have ever used, and I was sick a lot as a child.
All the best to you...
runrincerepeat wrote:
Deal if you post results! Give me a yuuuge goal. But you are way more fit than me!
Result: 16:51 (5:21, 5:25, 5:25, 40).
Your move.