PED and Drug Use During Seb Coe's time

Drug use goes back MUCH further than the 1970s.

There is a 1970 movie called "The Games". It is about (from IMDB):

Four marathon runners (one from England, one from the U.S., a Czechoslovakian, and an Australian Aborigine) prepare to run in the Olympic Games [Rome, 1960]. The film follows each one and shows what their motivations are for running in the games.

Based on somewhat on careers of Abebe Bikila, Dorondo Pietri* and Emil Zatopek -- ignore that they from different ages. There is drug use to enhance performance in the movie ... by the American (played by Ryan O'Neal). Oh, and one of them is going for breaking the two-hour barrier.

Definitely worth a watch.

* Pietri was winner of the 1908 London Olympics Marathon who got disqualified; making American Johnny Hayes the Gold medal "winner". Pietri collapsed just short of the finish, he was far ahead, and was helped up by race officials. A book was written about this fiasco.

https://deadspin.com/doping-cheating-and-insta-celebrity-the-story-behind-5927530

http://www.amazon.com/Showdown-Shepherds-Bush-Marathon-Launched/dp/0312641001

Also, in 1904.

Booze, Drugs and Automobiles: Why the 1904 Olympic Marathon Was One of the Most Scandalous Races in History

https://historycollection.co/booze-drugs-automobiles-1904-olympic-marathon-one-scandalous-races-history/

Coevett wrote:

Yeah, 48 with fvcked up knees and already getting to the top of my age group in local races after little more than a year of running.

Link to a quote where I encouraged MMA athletes to dope you dirty minded moron. All I said was it's even sicker that a sport like athletics has more doping apologists than a sport such as MMA.

Get psychiatric help,all you can do to discredit me is lie and project your bestiality fantasies.

Zero results from CZ mention a person with an English name getting top results in races (except for today's Marathon). Keep on lying.

And yes, you mentioned it this week, that you encourage MMA athletes to dope in order to recover from their injuries faster.

Oh and, bestiality? You keep on giving your line of work away. But that has been clear for a long time.

Look, coe was a doping cheater. Based on his politics, he obviously never had any sense of moral decency or fairness. He is the biggest supporter and enabler of the doping cheaters radcliffe and doorbell mo.

British teeth wrote:

Look, coe was a doping cheater. Based on his politics, he obviously never had any sense of moral decency or fairness. He is the biggest supporter and enabler of the doping cheaters radcliffe and doorbell mo.

"Doorbell mo"....that's funny! ?

You have seriously been studying the lists of local races in the Cz Republic for the last year in order to 'find me'?

WTF are you talking about you dope head? All I said was MMA is a brutal sport so it would be somewhat understandable if there were more doping apologist fans there than in athletics, but in fact, it seems our sport has far more.

You've been regularly posting comments here claiming '$uck off dogs' etc, which have been screen capped. As I said before, really not sure what you have to post to earn an IP ban. If you're that committed to be posting under multiple proxies and the like, then I don't know what the hell you are, a Putin troll or a Iten pharmacist (we actually had one admit to that yesterday), a agent to doped East Africans..?

lol You think I care who you are? I don't give a crap who you are. I just happen to pay attention to good results (think sub 30 10k and sub 14 5k) from races all over the world. The Czech Republic hosts some high caliber events and no 47-48 year old Brit is among the top times in the last year unless I really have not paid attention to one outstanding result.

In order to find you? lol no. Just calling you out on your top level or whatever results that never happened.

Not a dope head. Never doped. Never encouraged anyone to dope.

Long distance running is also a brutal sport. And even last week you said you understood why an MMA fighter would dope.

I've been on LRC since 2004 and I have never posted any sexual content on here. Unlike you, frequently using words like dildo, cuc.k, tranny, now bestiality.

So, good stuff screen capping those, I hope you have reported them to the mods too. But they didn't come from me and I can prove that.

Not much use giving me an IP ban. I have actually been banned once thanks to ventolin but you know, my job takes me to many countries so I am on the move all the time. An IP ban would have a very short term effect.

Interestingly, I have visited more than 30 countries but never been to Russia or Kenya (or even East Africa).

British teeth wrote:

Look, coe was a doping cheater. Based on his politics, he obviously never had any sense of moral decency or fairness. He is the biggest supporter and enabler of the doping cheaters radcliffe and doorbell mo.

Absolutely no evidence that Coe took anything illegal during his athletic career. With his high profile and political position something would have come up in the intervening 30 years.

He was the athlete's representative in Baden Baden 1981, who called for life bans for anyone testing positive.

All his world records and Championship medals would have been accompanied by a drug test.

The BAAB were conducting OOS drug tests from 1985.

He was also subjected to IAAF OOS testing in 1989, when he ran 1:43.3 at age 32.

He was one of the leading people to get blood transfusions banned in 1985.

He wasn't IAAF President when the Mo doorbell incident occurred, Diack was.

He was President when the Fancy Bears leaked documents that suggested Mo was a likely doper, so Coe would be aware that Mo was being watched carefully.

This is not the resume of someone who cheated in my opinion.

Are you rekrunner by chance? ?

Deanouk wrote:

Absolutely no evidence that Coe took anything illegal during his athletic career. With his high profile and political position something would have come up in the intervening 30 years.

There was a contemporaneous report that Coe skipped worlds in Helsinki because he knew he would test positive. I'm not saying it is strong evidence, but it definitely is not correct to say that there is no evidence.

the whole truth wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

Absolutely no evidence that Coe took anything illegal during his athletic career. With his high profile and political position something would have come up in the intervening 30 years.

There was a contemporaneous report that Coe skipped worlds in Helsinki because he knew he would test positive. I'm not saying it is strong evidence, but it definitely is not correct to say that there is no evidence.

A single newspaper article from a Finnish tabloid with no named sources is not evidence. It is at most rumour mongering. There was never any follow up articles from the newspaper, which suggests there was no story. If there was any truth to it the British tabloid press would have been all over it.

Any one can make an accusation and state that they heard it from a member of the British team (i.e. un-named source), as long as they use words like 'alleged' or 'rumours' or 'it has been claimed', to avoid libel.

Deanouk wrote:

the whole truth wrote:

There was a contemporaneous report that Coe skipped worlds in Helsinki because he knew he would test positive. I'm not saying it is strong evidence, but it definitely is not correct to say that there is no evidence.

A single newspaper article from a Finnish tabloid with no named sources is not evidence. It is at most rumour mongering. There was never any follow up articles from the newspaper, which suggests there was no story. If there was any truth to it the British tabloid press would have been all over it.

Any one can make an accusation and state that they heard it from a member of the British team (i.e. un-named source), as long as they use words like 'alleged' or 'rumours' or 'it has been claimed', to avoid libel.

Britain has a state sponsored doping program dating back several olympiads. The brits implemented the cheating because they have been desperate for a boost to public morale due to their loss of empire and economic relevance. Coe's running career predated the state sponsored PEDs; obviously Ovett, Jones, Stewart, Bedford, and contemporaries were all clean. However, Coe was surely as filthy as Radcliffe even though neither ever were definitively caught. A person with the morals of Coe will cheat with impunity, and cover for cheaters. He is the perfect leader for the Mo era.

LOL!

Utterly delusional!

Deanouk wrote:

A single newspaper article from a Finnish tabloid with no named sources is not evidence. It is at most rumour mongering. There was never any follow up articles from the newspaper, which suggests there was no story. If there was any truth to it the British tabloid press would have been all over it.

Any one can make an accusation and state that they heard it from a member of the British team (i.e. un-named source), as long as they use words like 'alleged' or 'rumours' or 'it has been claimed', to avoid libel.

You just undermine your own argument when you post nonsense like this.

It may not be strong evidence. It may not be evidence that would be admissible in court. But it is surely and definitively evidence.

I have no idea if Coe doped or not, but there is contemporaneous evidence that he was suspected of doing so.

Then you can say that about anyone in athletics. I can imagine every elite athlete has been accused by somebody on a forum, message board, tabloid rag, Facebook, etc.

In Coe's case it was gossip provided by a foreign tabloid from a discredited 'journalist' who offered a claim from an un-named member of the UK athletics board. No further articles appeared in Finland or anywhere else after.

Suspicion is not evidence.

Deanouk wrote:

intellectual honesty wrote:

You just undermine your own argument when you post nonsense like this.

It may not be strong evidence. It may not be evidence that would be admissible in court. But it is surely and definitively evidence.

I have no idea if Coe doped or not, but there is contemporaneous evidence that he was suspected of doing so.

Then you can say that about anyone in athletics. I can imagine every elite athlete has been accused by somebody on a forum, message board, tabloid rag, Facebook, etc.

In Coe's case it was gossip provided by a foreign tabloid from a discredited 'journalist' who offered a claim from an un-named member of the UK athletics board. No further articles appeared in Finland or anywhere else after.

Suspicion is not evidence.

1:41.73 in 1981... Nothing to see here.

The problem Deanouk is that you defend Coe to the point that one suspects you have something at stake here. That is why you have no credibility. Why do you care so much? You know damn well why and so do I.

Up Swole wrote:

Peter Coe and Dr. Martin were the Salazar/NOP of the day, and do you think AlSal would blood-dope Galen if it weren't technically illegal? Of course he would. He would consider himself irresponsible as a coach to not give his athlete every advantage. As it is we know that Coe and Martin deliberately lied about Seb's training volume in their training book.

BTW Both Salazar and Coe had health issues back in the early 80s that could well have been by-products of clumsy reinfusions.

I agree with this.

Lopper wrote:

The problem Deanouk is that you defend Coe to the point that one suspects you have something at stake here. That is why you have no credibility. Why do you care so much? You know damn well why and so do I.

Err!?

I have no stake in anything, and have no idea what you mean!

There is no evidence, just rumour.

I don’t worry about credibility on a forum. I am true to myself.