Is Ledecky clean?

Katie can smash the 200 WR today if she has recovered from 52.79R & 3'56.46 & paces race right

wr is 1'52.98

her 52.79R was worth probably 53-low given quick RT of 0.18 ( expected RT of ~ 0.60 - 0.70 from the blocks )

i'll use 53.25

3'56.46 / 53.25 ->1'52.37 !!!

to be honest, she probably coud go into 1'51s as i don't think she swam that 400 completely flat out as she knew she coudn't lose it

i'd be surprised if she doesn't smash an already incredible 200wr which was set with illegal suit, with 1'52-low the target

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Hitemwiththehein wrote:

When I wrote fit the mold, what I meant was watch an interview with her parents, which I'm sure you haven't... Especially her mom who appears to be an exceptionally nice and level headed person. This is not s Dead Poets Society family.

Yes, because people who dope (or who would dope their children) all have horns growing out of their head.

Come on, really? "They are nice people so they wouldn't dope?" That's your argument.

I haven't said she has doped, I really don't know. I'm just pointing out that having rich parents, even ones who seem nice in interviews, is not a good argument.

Exactly. Bernard Lagat is probably one of the nicest people on earth and yet, he has failed a test that many like to "forget" about.

Katie looked finished

she won gold, but very tired looking swim

i hope she has something left for 800

Kuwabara wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Yes, because people who dope (or who would dope their children) all have horns growing out of their head.

Come on, really? "They are nice people so they wouldn't dope?" That's your argument.

I haven't said she has doped, I really don't know. I'm just pointing out that having rich parents, even ones who seem nice in interviews, is not a good argument.

Exactly. Bernard Lagat is probably one of the nicest people on earth and yet, he has failed a test that many like to "forget" about.

+1. Marion Jones was also very nice. Unlike Ledecky, though, her family did not have 100s of millions of dollars, and we know how those money problems ended up.

This is terrible. Now I can't look at her interviews without staring at her hairline. Thanks a lot guys.

The endless Olympians that get caught every year and Lance Armstrong. Did you think he was clean? Or did you think he was dirty from the first time you heard of him? I knew he was dirty the first time I heard of him after the 1 tour victory. Everyone is clean and works hard right up to getting caught.

If you want hard facts, then she bought EPO from Lance 5 years ago in Tx.

Not saying she's clean, but... wrote:

Some points comparing Ledecky and Janet Evans (1988) -

1. Ledecky is only slightly faster (400 m 3:56 vs 4:03).

2. Today's pools are much faster.

3. Training has advanced.

4. Ledecky is 7 in taller in an event where height counts (freestyle).

5. Evans was restricted in training hours at Stanford.

Plus, Ledecky dominates the relatively unpopular distance events.

The drugs today are better than when she was taking them in 88.

Olympic Truth wrote:

The endless Olympians that get caught every year and Lance Armstrong. Did you think he was clean? Or did you think he was dirty from the first time you heard of him? I knew he was dirty the first time I heard of him after the 1 tour victory. Everyone is clean and works hard right up to getting caught.

If you want hard facts, then she bought EPO from Lance 5 years ago in Tx.

If she dopes, she's lucky that her training and support is very contained and in-house. Minimizes the chances of anyone telling.

Weebee wrote:

Olympic Truth wrote:

The endless Olympians that get caught every year and Lance Armstrong. Did you think he was clean? Or did you think he was dirty from the first time you heard of him? I knew he was dirty the first time I heard of him after the 1 tour victory. Everyone is clean and works hard right up to getting caught.

If you want hard facts, then she bought EPO from Lance 5 years ago in Tx.

If she dopes, she's lucky that her training and support is very contained and in-house. Minimizes the chances of anyone telling.

Yeah and same for Phelps, Bolt, and endless other Olympians. Marion Jones only got caught because she fired her coach. These people are very good at keeping it contained, it's part of the program.

The drugs today are better than when she was taking them in 88.

Late 70s-80s drugs were the most effective. Something that's plainly obvious when you see how many women's T&F records from that era still stand. Remember that PEDs have a stronger effect on women than men.

They were brute force drugs, and they could get away with that kind of drug because testing was so poor back then. Today's drugs have to be more subtle to sneak under the testing radar. More subtle = less potent.

Ah yes. The old chestnut - she's the best ever so therefore she MUST take PEDs.

Great argument that.

There is NO evidence that Ledecky takes PEDs.

I am enjoying watching the greatest female distance swimmer - ever. One reason why she is beating Evans etc is her speed. Did you see her 4 x 100 free leg? What 800 swimmer can go that fast over 100?

Next - find out about speed reserve. Educate yourself.

Karma Police wrote:

Ah yes. The old chestnut - she's the best ever so therefore she MUST take PEDs.

Great argument that.

There is NO evidence that Ledecky takes PEDs.

I am enjoying watching the greatest female distance swimmer - ever. One reason why she is beating Evans etc is her speed. Did you see her 4 x 100 free leg? What 800 swimmer can go that fast over 100?

Next - find out about speed reserve. Educate yourself.

You can't prove she's clean, idiot. We can prove that the stratospheric performances in the pool are unprecedented and that she has connections to a swath of resources, power, and money. Where have we seen a combination of these things before in cover-ups? Hmm...

Weebee wrote:

Karma Police wrote:

Ah yes. The old chestnut - she's the best ever so therefore she MUST take PEDs.

Great argument that.

There is NO evidence that Ledecky takes PEDs.

I am enjoying watching the greatest female distance swimmer - ever. One reason why she is beating Evans etc is her speed. Did you see her 4 x 100 free leg? What 800 swimmer can go that fast over 100?

Next - find out about speed reserve. Educate yourself.

You can't prove she's clean, idiot. We can prove that the stratospheric performances in the pool are unprecedented and that she has connections to a swath of resources, power, and money. Where have we seen a combination of these things before in cover-ups? Hmm...

And you can't prove she is NOT clean, idiot. So why are people definitively saying she is dirty? I am not the one saying she IS clean. I don't know for sure, and nor do you.

The presumption is that she is innocent, and there are no obvious red flags - other than "she's good, so she must be on PEDs". Sorry, that argument is as pathetic as the people using it.

Now you've given me "she has connections with money, so she must be on PEDs". Another argument that's as smart as the person using it now.

Karma Police wrote:

Weebee wrote:

You can't prove she's clean, idiot. We can prove that the stratospheric performances in the pool are unprecedented and that she has connections to a swath of resources, power, and money. Where have we seen a combination of these things before in cover-ups? Hmm...

And you can't prove she is NOT clean, idiot. So why are people definitively saying she is dirty? I am not the one saying she IS clean. I don't know for sure, and nor do you.

The presumption is that she is innocent, and there are no obvious red flags - other than "she's good, so she must be on PEDs". Sorry, that argument is as pathetic as the people using it.

Now you've given me "she has connections with money, so she must be on PEDs". Another argument that's as smart as the person using it now.

Keep empathizing like a simp-- you really "get" her!!-- maybe she'll show you her other hairline when she's back stateside?

Amazing someone so arrogant could be so ignorant about high tech dopage 2016.

how is it possible "clean" aussies,americans,and brits are beating people on drugs? it isnt.theyre doping,too.yes,they all work hard,but the drugs give them the edge.ledecky isnt clean.why are they breaking swimsuit affected records from a few years ago?hard training,and top grade performance enhancing drugs.

rasnip wrote:

The drugs today are better than when she was taking them in 88.

Late 70s-80s drugs were the most effective. Something that's plainly obvious when you see how many women's T&F records from that era still stand. Remember that PEDs have a stronger effect on women than men.

They were brute force drugs, and they could get away with that kind of drug because testing was so poor back then. Today's drugs have to be more subtle to sneak under the testing radar. More subtle = less potent.

That's a pretty good analysis. I might agree with that. I mean the 100 is without a doubt wind-aided and should be taken off the books. But the 200 is awesome, 400, and even the 800.

I stand corrected. But there is a new type of drug out there which is creating a smaller yet faster male athlete.

jeff tallon wrote:

how is it possible "clean" aussies,americans,and brits are beating people on drugs? it isnt.theyre doping,too.yes,they all work hard,but the drugs give them the edge.ledecky isnt clean.why are they breaking swimsuit affected records from a few years ago?hard training,and top grade performance enhancing drugs.

For starters, Ledecky's 100 relay split makes her 400 time very believable.

Secondly, who is saying 2nd and 3rd in that race were on drugs? Or 4th or 5th?

Another point is that with Australians for example, swimming is almost a national sport. Australia has very high participation rates. So if there is a top natural talent in that country, there's a good chance they will be discovered. That is not the case in most countries.

And in any case - we're back to the "she's good so she must be dirty" argument - as I said, the argument's as stupid as those baselessly using it.

jeff tallon wrote:

how is it possible "clean" aussies,americans,and brits are beating people on drugs? it isnt.theyre doping,too.yes,they all work hard,but the drugs give them the edge.ledecky isnt clean.why are they breaking swimsuit affected records from a few years ago?hard training,and top grade performance enhancing drugs.

What this guy said. Karma Police is dumb. Doping to the extent that you're breaking age-old records like they're nothing only makes it more obvious. You don't do that unless you know no whistleblower can bring you down.

Ledecky, King, et al -- they are all cleaner than Bill's wiener.

Hillary's first order of business, upon inauguration, is for the ladies swim team to come over for a good old-fashioned pajama party in the Lincoln Bedroom.