Jon Orange wrote:
Elliott did it wrote:Many great performances were achieved by those "running scared".
Snell was better than Elliot. How did Snell run?
Elliot was coached by a loony. A good coach, but a loony. When I look at those Cerutty videos, I think, what was he on?
Snell was coached by someone with more sanity an even stronger philosophy.
Like he was afraid to lead.
it's too bad that all of you don't have the same understanding of physiology as jon....
a very basic one.
That's Great! Thanks for posting!
latex tendons wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:Elastic energy return is free, it has no extra metabolic cost.
So all improvement is elastic? You are forgetting that you have to speed up the muscles attached to go faster, the elastics don't do that on their own.
Miss the point much?
Jonny and his friends ride the short bus.
a great excuse wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:He was 17. He believe the hype. Just like you do. I see him as a victim, not a criminal. The drug hype does far more harm than all of the so called 'drug cheats'. It's all hyperbole, pseudoscientific dogma and sensationalism. Common sense doth not prevail.
I believe it but why do you think that means I would use it?
You believe the hype about EPO?
So tell me, if having more red blood cells is an advantage, then why doesn'tthe human body produce more?
If you are using more oxygen? Then you are using more glycogen and producing more heat. Both of these factors will cause you to fatigue sooner.
The EPO hype is a typical example of how hoplessly inept exercise physiologists can be. Fortunately not all of them are this ignorant.
i think youre good for a laugh,jon.i dont take you ,or your posts,seriously at all.youre unintentionally funny,and for that,im glad youre on letsrun.
Jon Orange wrote:
a great excuse wrote:I believe it but why do you think that means I would use it?
You believe the hype about EPO?
So tell me, if having more red blood cells is an advantage, then why doesn'tthe human body produce more?
If you are using more oxygen? Then you are using more glycogen and producing more heat. Both of these factors will cause you to fatigue sooner.
The EPO hype is a typical example of how hoplessly inept exercise physiologists can be. Fortunately not all of them are this ignorant.
Are we still on this? Because of genetic limitations. The same reason we all don't turn black by going out in the sun despite it being advantageous.
Who cares about using more glycogen and producing more heat?
You produce a cooling effect by going faster and you get done faster.
Where did you get your physiology degree from btw?
believe the hype wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:You believe the hype about EPO?
So tell me, if having more red blood cells is an advantage, then why doesn'tthe human body produce more?
If you are using more oxygen? Then you are using more glycogen and producing more heat. Both of these factors will cause you to fatigue sooner.
The EPO hype is a typical example of how hoplessly inept exercise physiologists can be. Fortunately not all of them are this ignorant.
Are we still on this? Because of genetic limitations. The same reason we all don't turn black by going out in the sun despite it being advantageous.
Who cares about using more glycogen and producing more heat?
You produce a cooling effect by going faster and you get done faster.
Where did you get your physiology degree from btw?
No you fool, we don't produce more red blood cells because it's not an advantage. For the reason I just wrote in that post. You can't exceed homeostasis.
Faster runners use LESS ENERGY TO RACE FASTER, NOT MORE.
Jon Orange wrote:
Less effort for the same power output and more power for the same effort.
That's improved efficiency.[/quote]
And what determines the sense of effort? Its (largely) afferent feedback on the state of the peripheral physiology. The greater the degree of physiological disruption, then the greater the sense of effort. If you take some form of PED which reduces the degree of disruption then the nature of the feedback changes and your sense of effort is reduced. So... even if its all about perception of effort there is a huge physiological component to this
That's what adrenaline is for, controlling feed forward and feed back information.
To get the best from adrenaline takes practice. Getting 'in the zone' is a feeling we all know. The big question is; how do we learn to control it?
What you don't need is exogenous stimulants like amphetamines.
Jon is a troll who has way too much time on his hands.
When he is not on LRC, he is on other sites talking about how NASA did not send men to the moon, 9/11 was a government planned event and that the Earth is really flat.
I suspect that he is also a bigot as per his name suggests.
Have a nice day!
Getting angry and calling people fools and stupid is the first sign that you are steadily losing ground with your argument hypothesis.
But you already know that, right?
Jon Orange wrote:
believe the hype wrote:Are we still on this? Because of genetic limitations. The same reason we all don't turn black by going out in the sun despite it being advantageous.
Who cares about using more glycogen and producing more heat?
You produce a cooling effect by going faster and you get done faster.
Where did you get your physiology degree from btw?
No you fool, we don't produce more red blood cells because it's not an advantage. For the reason I just wrote in that post. You can't exceed homeostasis.
Faster runners use LESS ENERGY TO RACE FASTER, NOT MORE.
Dopers exceed homeostasis all the time.
Why don't we all have exactly the same Hct numbers?
Better luck next time, Jon! What are you now, about 0 for 30?
Jon Orange wrote:
That's what adrenaline is for, controlling feed forward and feed back information.
To get the best from adrenaline takes practice. Getting 'in the zone' is a feeling we all know. The big question is; how do we learn to control it?
What you don't need is exogenous stimulants like amphetamines.
Ok - you say nobody on this site understands REAL physiology, and then go on to claim adrenaline 'controls' feedback information! No point continuing this discussion
stating the obvious here... wrote:
I suspect that he is also a bigot as per his name suggests.
In the interests of fairness, Jon Orange is his actual name.
He's still a right royal lunatic though.
Jon Orange wrote:
Learn your basic physiology. Bio-mechanical efficiency. Learn what it is and what it does. Above all, don't tell lecture me when you can't see the big picture.
Few people like being lecture to. I admit that I'm not going to change any minds that way. You say "Learn your basic physiology. Bio-mechanical efficency." I know something about these things and have drawn different conclusions than you have so we are at an impasse.
For what it's worth, I'm as open to questioning my beliefs as anyone you'll find on here. If your goal is to convince even one person to get away from thinking PEDs work, I'd urge you to post or re-post a long argument that lays out the logic for your position all in one place.
test2 wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:Learn your basic physiology. Bio-mechanical efficiency. Learn what it is and what it does. Above all, don't tell lecture me when you can't see the big picture.
Few people like being lecture to. I admit that I'm not going to change any minds that way. You say "Learn your basic physiology. Bio-mechanical efficency." I know something about these things and have drawn different conclusions than you have so we are at an impasse.
For what it's worth, I'm as open to questioning my beliefs as anyone you'll find on here. If your goal is to convince even one person to get away from thinking PEDs work, I'd urge you to post or re-post a long argument that lays out the logic for your position all in one place.
Even better, he could become a Doctor of Physiology and this could be his thesis. But that's not going to happen, is it?
renfree wrote:
Jon Orange wrote:That's what adrenaline is for, controlling feed forward and feed back information.
To get the best from adrenaline takes practice. Getting 'in the zone' is a feeling we all know. The big question is; how do we learn to control it?
What you don't need is exogenous stimulants like amphetamines.
Ok - you say nobody on this site understands REAL physiology, and then go on to claim adrenaline 'controls' feedback information! No point continuing this discussion
Says the man who believe that drugs do the job better than a chemical which is both a hormone and a neurotransmitter.
I can see why you don't want to continue the discussion renfree. You don't know enough basic physiology.