According to their splits, Colorado lowered their team score by 29 places over the last 2K. Everyone in their top 6 passed people to finish better. Stanford lost a cumulative 9 points (most of them from Rosa) from their top 5 guys from 8K-10K. That's a 38 point swing.
Colorado won by 33.
Cool.
Gareth Bale wrote:
If both Rosa's had run, and run well and placed right around 10th or even higher, would that have been enough to win? And are the Rosa's coming back next year to run with Grant Fisher or was this their last season of eligibility?
Well if your gonna go there ..how about if Jake Huryzs had a better day today. he placed 41st today but certainly has the ability to be in the top 25 ( he placed 32nd in Nationals 2 years ago). Also what if 2013 All American redshirt Morgan Pearson would have been in there today? . Cu still wins
Standout disappointments:
Kirubel Erassa: told us he's be top THREE.
69th!
Matt Fischer: Regional champ.
167th??? Holy Jesus!
haha wrote:
What a great race for Moussa, 5th place.
5th place = 4th loser.
Buffs could have scored in the 30s if Hurysz doesn't have an off day. Crazy!
haha wrote:
What a great race for Moussa, 5th place.
Also Patrick Tiernan for most overhyped runner of the year? I never thought he did anything all season that showed that he could win the big one.
Hell of a breakout race for Moussa..I have felt these past few years that he has never run up to his potential. He finally got his act together. Finally a performance befitting of a former national high school 2 mile champion
505 wrote:
...I'm still impressed that Stanford finished second.
2nd place = 1st loser.
sp2 wrote:
Standout disappointments:
Kirubel Erassa: told us he's be top THREE.
69th!
Matt Fischer: Regional champ.
167th??? Holy Jesus!
also Craig Lutz sucked it up again but I don't know if you can call it a disappoinment if it's expected
This is true. Just crazy isnt it!?! I wonder if they'll land any other high school blue chippers this year? Are there any blue chippers left?
sp2 wrote:
Gareth Bale wrote:If both Rosa's had run, and run well and placed right around 10th or even higher, would that have been enough to win? And are the Rosa's coming back next year to run with Grant Fisher or was this their last season of eligibility?
Both Rosas, McGorty --who clearly looks like he's ready to step up into the top echelon now-- and then Wharton (who just had his own coming-out party today with a GREAT race), Sweatt (very solid today, and very solid all year long), Keelan, Logan, and a HUGE pair of wild cards in the form of Fisher and Ostberg.
This will be an *awesome* team next year. Probably good enough to challenge the Buffs --even though that team might be as good as this year's.
(Stanford girls will be contenders as well, with two likely top-5, and lots of depth coming up.)
Stanford guys ran the best race in the field today, by far.
I guess all the LRC morons whose entire analysis consists of "Stanford always chokes" look pretty stupid now, but that's no surprise.
Basically, the whole team ran brilliantly, with the exception of Joe, who faded pretty badly in the last 1500.
Atchoo ran the X-C race of his career. One of the few guys in the pack who was smart enough to really take full advantage of the tactical pace. Helluva job, Mike.
Too bad we didn't have Jim. Could've made it *very* interesting today.
You should probably account for the race being slow. That gives the milers a break. If today's race was faster, would Rosa have placed higher and would the team have finished lower?
V6 wrote:
Colorado is going to be the heavy favorite again next year.
Just lose Theroux from their Top 5 and add Morgan Pearson back, to go with some good freshmen.
This is true. Just crazy isnt it!?! I wonder if they'll land any other high school blue chippers this year? Are there any blue chippers left?
Tough to see Stanford winning next year based on talent. They could win if CU has injuries or a bad day.
Stanford loses their #1 and #3 runners. 2 returning CU runners ran well ahead of McGorty today, and Morgan Pearson was in the top 20 last year and sat today. CU will again have 3 runners with top ten potential and 5-6 with top twenty potential next year. That's tough to match up against.
ldkk wrote:
sp2 wrote:Both Rosas, McGorty --who clearly looks like he's ready to step up into the top echelon now-- and then Wharton (who just had his own coming-out party today with a GREAT race), Sweatt (very solid today, and very solid all year long), Keelan, Logan, and a HUGE pair of wild cards in the form of Fisher and Ostberg.
This will be an *awesome* team next year. Probably good enough to challenge the Buffs --even though that team might be as good as this year's.
(Stanford girls will be contenders as well, with two likely top-5, and lots of depth coming up.)
Stanford guys ran the best race in the field today, by far.
I guess all the LRC morons whose entire analysis consists of "Stanford always chokes" look pretty stupid now, but that's no surprise.
Basically, the whole team ran brilliantly, with the exception of Joe, who faded pretty badly in the last 1500.
Atchoo ran the X-C race of his career. One of the few guys in the pack who was smart enough to really take full advantage of the tactical pace. Helluva job, Mike.
Too bad we didn't have Jim. Could've made it *very* interesting today.
You should probably account for the race being slow. That gives the milers a break. If today's race was faster, would Rosa have placed higher and would the team have finished lower?
I don't really think so. Probably true to some degree for Atchoo; doubt it's especially true for McGorty or Wharton.
And Joe didn't underperform because of slow pace; he's quite capable of finishing the last 2K much faster than most of the guys in that lead pack.
He just didn't have it today.
And pace made no difference for Big Maks.
Guess the LRC morons might have to stop calling him a choker and a head-case now, too.
I didn't expect much from Wisconsin this year, maybe finishing right where they were ranked coming in. They still finished in the top 10 (36 top 10 finishes in the last 43 years).
Looks like they stayed in the back as a team even with the slow pace.
Fitsome wrote:
162430 wrote:Yes, I definitely noticed this too. Maybe there was some contact between him and Jenkins? This is pure speculation...
That was my thought, too. But I didn't see that from the video. It looked like Jenkins went pretty wide to pass. Will have to check out the replay when it comes out. Regardless, really cool to see Ches and Jenkins go 1-2.
Fitsum AKA Fits was clearly incensed at the finish line official manhandling him when he didn't clear the finish chute fast enough. Nothing to do with Jenkins (OR).
And now you know the rest of the story.
conmm wrote:
162430 wrote:Agreed that Kennedy was rather good. In fact, that was arguably the best coverage I have EVER seen for a running event. And I watch s*itloads of running events.
His commentating was good. I hope you aren't talking about the video angles. A lot of the time we couldn't see the leader.
It's in another leauge compared to Flotrack's coverage.
Both commentators are better then the flotrack fanboys screaming the entire time.
The camerawork wasn't bad either
The shaking was minimal and there were plenty of good views.
You can't see the leader because there was no definitle leader until cheserek broke away
This tread is very slow, so maybe someone has already answered this, but #5 was 30points, five behind Rosa, so if the brothers had crossed together, the difference would have been minimal (4 points). Even winning would not have not have been enough (-29 for 30->1, +4 for the other four Stanford runners => 98=> 73, then add 5 to Colorado's 65 to get 70).
Gareth Bale wrote:
If both Rosa's had run, and run well and placed right around 10th or even higher, would that have been enough to win? And are the Rosa's coming back next year to run with Grant Fisher or was this their last season of eligibility?
quote]V6 wrote:
Colorado is going to be the heavy favorite again next year.
Just lose Theroux from their Top 5 and add Morgan Pearson back, to go with some good freshmen.[/quote]
This is true. Just crazy isnt it!?! I wonder if they'll land any other high school blue chippers this year? Are there any blue chippers left?[/quote]
With Wetmore's liberal use of the 6th year medical redshirt you can expect a number of the scoring Buffs to be around a number of years.
v6 wrote:
Tough to see Stanford winning next year based on talent. They could win if CU has injuries or a bad day.
Stanford loses their #1 and #3 runners. 2 returning CU runners ran well ahead of McGorty today, and Morgan Pearson was in the top 20 last year and sat today. CU will again have 3 runners with top ten potential and 5-6 with top twenty potential next year. That's tough to match up against.
Nope. Not tough to see at all. Fisher and Ostberg both look like guys who could be major factors as frosh. If one of them has a first year like Saarel's (Fisher, if anything, looks to me like a slightly *better* version of Saarel at this point), this team will have four guys with top 10 (certainly top 20) potential, and better depth behind that than it's had in years.
As of this moment, Stanford on paper looks like they're probably very close to CO.
(Same thing I said this past summer, when most of the LRC morons said it was ridiculous. Turned out it was exactly right. If Jim was healthy, it would've been very close today.
Stanford was the only team with a shot to challenge CO this year (before Jim's knee blew out, obviously), and they've got a good shot to challenge next year.)
Too bad we have to wait a year to watch it.
Good god, now all the Stanford hypebeasts are coming out of the wood work. This is like the first time in the last 5 years that they've come close to their potential at nationals and not blown up! Settle down guys. You've got to respect the 2 time defending champs until they're beat. Moussa, Saarel, Winter, Pearson, and Murphy are all returning All-Americans. You add in Perrin and Peterman or Dressel who is a great XC prospect and there you go.