Some Things Should Be Obvious wrote:
I am right. And you are wrong. Therefore I am self-righteous.
You are convinced you are right, when you have no idea if you are or are not.
A person who willingly removes himself from public contact with kids for fear of being accused of inappropriate contact? That sounds suspicious in and of itself.
You are willing to risk the lives of young people to defend your friend. You are a horrible person.
Lyndon LaRouche wrote:
Some Things Should Be Obvious wrote:I am right. And you are wrong. Therefore I am self-righteous.
You are convinced you are right, when you have no idea if you are or are not.
A person who willingly removes himself from public contact with kids for fear of being accused of inappropriate contact? That sounds suspicious in and of itself.
You are willing to risk the lives of young people to defend your friend. You are a horrible person.
Pretty funny, dude.
My 'friend' is actually me. So, yes, I know exactly what I am talking about. With 100% certainty.
Please try to think more clearly.
So, you're saying that you're a liar?
Guy Lafleur wrote:
So, you're saying that you're a liar?
Yay! Aren't you so clever?
Good god some of you folks are retarded.
You sound like a helluva coach.
It's probably better all around that you aren't near kids anymore.
SMJO wrote:
He married his own stepdaughter.
Not that it really makes that much of a difference, but she is not and never was his step-daughter. Soon-Yi is the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow, but Farrow and Allen were never married and he never adopted Soon-Yi.
I'm not trying to claim that this doesn't have a high "Ewwwwwww" quotient, but let's not repeat untrue things, mkay?
Guy Lafleur wrote:
You sound like a helluva coach.
It's probably better all around that you aren't near kids anymore.
Yeah, sorry, I forgot that I was coaching you here.
DontFeedTheTroll wrote:
SMJO wrote:He married his own stepdaughter.
Not that it really makes that much of a difference, but she is not and never was his step-daughter. Soon-Yi is the adopted daughter of Mia Farrow, but Farrow and Allen were never married and he never adopted Soon-Yi.
I'm not trying to claim that this doesn't have a high "Ewwwwwww" quotient, but let's not repeat untrue things, mkay?
That's already been repeatedly pointed out but when you are in a long term relationship with someone marriage and adoption are mere formalities.
Not buying the whole scenario. Sorry.
Look at it from the perspective of the three kids Allen and Farrow share; two adopted and one biological. After their father broke up with their mother, he married their sister.
Face it... it's, at minimum, weird.
I know Allen is estranged from Ronan and Dylan; not sure of the other.
old guy 68 wrote:
False memories are a reality. I've had some dreams in the past that I sometimes think may be real until I thoroughly recall that particular time of my life.
I believe that some people's minds can be manipulated in such a way that they recall events that never happened.
Having said that, and despite being a Woody Allen fan, I tend to believe something shady occurred (and I tend to be a gullible person...I still think Michael Jackson was innocent.)
Based on everything that has come out over the years, I suspect Jackson didn't actually molest anyone; however, a grown man sleeping in bed with a child that's not your own just can't be right.
Yeah, but you just don't effin' know and you're talking out your ass!
Precious Roy wrote:
In contentious family break ups, all kinds of craziness can ensue. It would not be the first time that someone has egged on a child to make a false report of abuse in order to get the upper hand in a custody fight. Children can invent tales of abuse in order to justify their emotional pain of being separated from a care giver in a divorce. My sister claims that our father abused (not sexually) when we were children. The abuse? Tickling. She eventually estranged herself from him and would not let him see her children. The funny thing is that my father lost it with me one time and gave me a pretty nasty spanking when I visited him. It was pretty close to abuse. As a parent, I now realize it was just one of those days when your kid pushes all the wrong buttons and you do something you regret. But the difference was that I was able to maintain a relationship with my father and my sister could not due to her own personal issues. The point is that with the right motivation, something that is very innocent (tickling) can be turned into a claim of abuse in order to match the narrative set out by parents as the reason for losing contact with a parent.
I can see how a child can be made to believe something happened that didn't, but what about adults who continue to believe something happened that didn't?
trackcoach wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:In contentious family break ups, all kinds of craziness can ensue. It would not be the first time that someone has egged on a child to make a false report of abuse in order to get the upper hand in a custody fight. Children can invent tales of abuse in order to justify their emotional pain of being separated from a care giver in a divorce. My sister claims that our father abused (not sexually) when we were children. The abuse? Tickling. She eventually estranged herself from him and would not let him see her children. The funny thing is that my father lost it with me one time and gave me a pretty nasty spanking when I visited him. It was pretty close to abuse. As a parent, I now realize it was just one of those days when your kid pushes all the wrong buttons and you do something you regret. But the difference was that I was able to maintain a relationship with my father and my sister could not due to her own personal issues. The point is that with the right motivation, something that is very innocent (tickling) can be turned into a claim of abuse in order to match the narrative set out by parents as the reason for losing contact with a parent.
I can see how a child can be made to believe something happened that didn't, but what about adults who continue to believe something happened that didn't?
If you believe that something happened to you while you are a child and continue to be reminded of that 'memory' through the years it can easily become a memory of a 'memory' rather than a memory of an actual event. It would actually be surprising if you one day woke up and 'decided' that the event did not happen when all your life you had believed that it did and had talked about it happening all those years.
SMJO wrote:
Yeah, but you just don't effin' know and you're talking out your ass!
"Based on everything that has come out over the years, I suspect Jackson didn't actually molest anyone; however, a grown man sleeping in bed with a child that's not your own just can't be right."
It is true that the poster has no idea whether or not MJ actually molested anyone. Are you, SJMO, disputing this fact? Clearly he is just guessing (suspecting).
On the other hand, the fact that he believes that "a grown man sleeping in bed with a child that's not your own just can't be right." is a valid opinion that applies to anyone - MJ or anyone else. One may disagree or agree with the opinion but the poster is NOT saying that he knows something about what MJ did or did not do.
See how that works?
Now here is a question for you. Have you ever had an actual thought? You know, besides just emotional reactions, a real, honest to goodness thought which followed basic rules of logic, considered what was actually known vs what was guesswork, etc. It certainly does not appear as if you have ever had this experience. I can only imagine what it would be like for you the first time you had an actual thought traverse your gray matter. What an amazing feeling you have in store for you if you ever make it there. Good luck!
If you believed your BS you'd still be a coach because you would be quite comfortable taking those "rumors" to court and proving your points there.
See how that works?
You seem a bit bitter that life has locked you away from society because you are worried that people might make up stories about the best child soccer coach to ever live.
A Duck wrote:
Here is a very detailed fact based timeline of the accusations and legal results that you are unlikely to see elsewhere.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/27/the-woody-allen-allegations-not-so-fast.html
That pretty sums it all up.
Mia Farrow is an insensitive and vindictive lunatic.
trackcoach wrote:
Based on everything that has come out over the years, I suspect Jackson didn't actually molest anyone; however, a grown man sleeping in bed with a child that's not your own just can't be right.
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We agree. I don't think Michael Jackson molested any children either, and I also think that it's really strange for a grown man to sleep with children. However, I'm not sure Michael Jackson was actually an adult despite his age.
SMJO wrote:
If you believed your BS you'd still be a coach because you would be quite comfortable taking those "rumors" to court and proving your points there.
See how that works?
You seem a bit bitter that life has locked you away from society because you are worried that people might make up stories about the best child soccer coach to ever live.
You seem to have missed...well, pretty much everything.
So, hopefully you will have that experience of actually thinking something before you die.
In the meantime, allow me to summarize what you have missed.
1) This thread is all about gossip - people talking out of their asses about something that they have no real information on.
2) This is basically the same thing that happens everywhere that you look, including local communities.
3) People have a difficult time saying that simple phrase, "I don't know". For some reason those words are foreign to much of the human race.
4) So, they talk out their asses.
5) People also have a hard time separating the horribleness of a crime (child molestation, serial murderer...) with the completely separate question of whether or not that crime was actually committed by the accused. For some reason, 'if a crime is horrible enough then he/she must be guilty' seems to be the modus operandi of much of the human race.
6) We see "guilty, guilty, guilty!" right here on this message board all the time with no real knowledge of whether or not it is true.
7) Of course this is not a phenomenon unique to this board. The gossip lynch mob mentality is alive and well in communities everywhere.
8) As a result of this, the notion of "taking those "rumors" to court" is absurdly, embarrassingly naive. Folks are guilty in the court of public opinion based on the same talking out their asses mentality that has been so thoroughly demonstrated in this thread.
9) I have seen more than one coach have his reputation completely ruined in this way. There is no trial, there is no serious investigation. But hey, according to folks like you who needs one. He's guilty, guilty, guilty!
10) I have never been accused of anything except by folks like you on message boards who have zero information - but hey, why let that stop you. Or even slow you down.
11) I am not the least bit bitter about anything. And I am far from being locked away from society. I am an active businessman, father of four, very happily married, active in the community, and helping to teach math for the gifted in a parent participation school that my kids attend. In short, I am loving life. But I am no longer contributing as a coach because of wonderful people like yourself.
12) I never claimed to be the best child soccer coach to ever live. But yes, I was very, very good. I won coach of the year every single year that I coached, had virtually every single parent whose kid was ever on my team ask me how they could get on my team the next year, and was asked every year to run clinics on positive coaching by the local soccer organization. So yes, I am quite confident that I was a very positive influence on a large number of kids.
13) But then there are folks like you, (lots of folks like you), for whom gossip is the holiest of holies, who cannot seem to grasp the concept that they don't know and therefore should not contribute to an atmosphere of 'guilty until proven innocent.'
Now, this time I will try to remember that you are a child and I am coaching you. Have I been gentle enough on you here? Do you need that rephrased to allow it to sink in? How can I help you?
It's funny how you yourself seem to think you know me based on comments on a message board.
I think you need help. That is my thought of the day.
I hope you get it before you go off on anyone. You sound incredibly unstable.
SMJO wrote:
It's funny how you yourself seem to think you know me based on comments on a message board.
I think you need help. That is my thought of the day.
I hope you get it before you go off on anyone. You sound incredibly unstable.
Well, you've just insinuated that he's mentally ill based on nothing more than comments on the same message board, so now we've now read enough to know that you're not above labelling a man unstable when it suits you. I'd say that makes his characterization of you pretty accurate.