Genzebe Dibaba 3:55.17 indoor WR

The Dibabas have the best mechanics around, obviously have great genes and are crazy hot so that all combines to mean you hate America if you don't believe her performances are legit.

Is it so hard to think the best Ethiopian is 2-3% stronger than Cain, who is almost certainly going to break 4:00 this year? Don't underestimate the increased mass of the hindbrain, it's a big advantage when it comes to mechanics/fluidity.

SMJO wrote:

Peer Mediator wrote:

Ventolin, stop moving the goal posts. You asked me to name 1 athlete who has a faster indoor pb than outdoor, and I named 2. Then you dismiss them for a variety of reasons, because you are a fool.

Coghlan ran his indoor 3:49 in 1983, so that is just over 30 years ago. He had a long and illustrious career and plenty of opportunities in non Coe or Ovett races to run as fast outdoors. He didn't.

Same for Rupp. The fact is he hasn't yet run faster over a mile outdoors compared to indoors. Possible reasons for not doing so are irrelevant and cannot be measured in any case.

Wait until you hear what he says about Geb's faster indoor 1500. Should be good.

LOL. Of course he'll just say that based on X, Y, Z, his abacus proves that Geb would have run 3:28 outdoors if he'd made the effort. You can't win with a 'special' person like him, who is always making excuses for any facts others offer to refute his fantasies.

Wildebeest de Jour wrote:

The Dibabas have the best mechanics around, obviously have great genes and are crazy hot so that all combines to mean you hate America if you don't believe her performances are legit.

Is it so hard to think the best Ethiopian is 2-3% stronger than Cain, who is almost certainly going to break 4:00 this year? Don't underestimate the increased mass of the hindbrain, it's a big advantage when it comes to mechanics/fluidity.

It's not so much the time as the manner in which she did it that has caused more than a raised eyebrow. A WR, and a good one at that, shouldn't be set so 'easily' with no apparent fatigue at the end. It looked like a training run.

3:55.07 11. 13. Yanmei DONG 77 CHN F 6. Shanghai (CHN) 18.10.1997 1245

Yawn.

Even if he does make up stuff(and he will) to cover his theory, the mere fact that he overlooked practically the greatest ever is a source of great hilarity.

Surely she will go for the 3k record in xl galan Sweden

LM wrote:

First 200 was 31 mid, 600 reached 1:35.2, 800 was not shown on the footage I have, but she hit 1k at 2:40.xx. That is consistent with 2:09 800.

No, her splits which are to be seen are not completely consistent with the 2:09 for 800m, also for sure the 2:09 is not impossible, but at least it sounds a little bit strange to me. She was running very even from the start, how could she slow down that much the 100m or 200m before the 800m mark and accelerate after? Because of that stupidity always to go to every field action (even if it's an 5,50 attempt of some "unknown" in the PV), it's not possibele to check it. After 400m it was obvious that something special was to happen in the 1500m.

But what was her post race workout?

For once I agree with Ventolin. Outdoors is faster than indoors in good conditions. There are plenty of races run in good conditions. The only other factor to consider is that most athletes will be in better condition for summer track than winter indoors

Someone said for a distance runners the 200m track does not make a difference. Well to start with you need to start differentiating between middle distance and long distance. At close to 60 seconds it does make a difference

said88 wrote:

LM wrote:

First 200 was 31 mid, 600 reached 1:35.2, 800 was not shown on the footage I have, but she hit 1k at 2:40.xx. That is consistent with 2:09 800.

No, her splits which are to be seen are not completely consistent with the 2:09 for 800m, also for sure the 2:09 is not impossible, but at least it sounds a little bit strange to me. She was running very even from the start, how could she slow down that much the 100m or 200m before the 800m mark and accelerate after? Because of that stupidity always to go to every field action (even if it's an 5,50 attempt of some "unknown" in the PV), it's not possibele to check it. After 400m it was obvious that something special was to happen in the 1500m.

a 31 second 200m from 800m to 1000m seems completely in line to me. I don't see why you are disbelieving, if so then she ran even slower from 800m-1000m 200m split(and she was knocking off 30-31s for whole entire last part of the race...)

said88 wrote:

LM wrote:

First 200 was 31 mid, 600 reached 1:35.2, 800 was not shown on the footage I have, but she hit 1k at 2:40.xx. That is consistent with 2:09 800.

No, her splits which are to be seen are not completely consistent with the 2:09 for 800m, also for sure the 2:09 is not impossible, but at least it sounds a little bit strange to me. She was running very even from the start, how could she slow down that much the 100m or 200m before the 800m mark and accelerate after? Because of that stupidity always to go to every field action (even if it's an 5,50 attempt of some "unknown" in the PV), it's not possibele to check it. After 400m it was obvious that something special was to happen in the 1500m.

I'm a little confused what you are trying to say. I posted the video, marked at correct times.

There is no doubt (unless it isn't a 200m track) she crossed 600 in 1:35.2 and 1000 in 2:40.3. You can see here doing it. Why she dropped a 65 between 600 and 1k is an interesting question...but you can't seriously be disputing the fact that she did?

I agree it's annoying as fvck when they pan to field events in the middle of a great race...but we are shown where the athletes start the race, if they pan back to that start line and the clock says anything near 1:3x you KNOW it has to 600. It sure as hell isn't a 400 or 800 time, and the only way it could be anything else is if the track was not 200m...but if that were indeed the case we then get very quickly so absurd values for say the first lap (i.e. if it was a 233m track or something she ran that first lap in 31 then that would be a 26s 200 pace...which she definitely was not running)

oldie wrote:

this is just the beginning

expect 'unexpected' times across the board

igf-1 r3 + hematide + resveratrol

it's going to be a big year..

Yup.

This 3:55 is just as phony as the Chinese times.

SMJO wrote:

[quote]Peer Mediator wrote:

Ventolin, stop moving the goal posts.

Wait until you hear what he says about Geb's faster indoor 1500. Should be good.

Ventolin will be keeping quiet for a while after this most recent humiliation

not in last 30y

& geb didn't run a 1500 outdoor in a golden league meet

he ran 3'33.7pb in '99

he ran a 3'35.9sb in chemnitz in '97

foolish enough to think these were in anyway comparable pace to his 3'31i ???

because you offer nonsense

no

you offer nonsense

refuted

i gave 30y as usual parameter

you delved outside

how desperate are you ?

nonsense

list the 1500/mile races in '83 on non-firenze calibre he had to chase the clock ?

nonsense

rupp hopefully expects to run same shape outdoors, which means = to 3'48i/3'49i =

~ 3'45/3'46

outdoors this year, same as his training partner's converted 1500

fool

his training partner ran 3'28 last year

( worth into

3'27s

if it had been set up for him with pacers from gun/ideal pacing )

rupp is the fast guy in the camp

he was likely carrying injury outdoors

fool

same drivel you applying to suggestion :

indoors/outdoors can't be quantified ???

Old Attack wrote:

a 31 second 200m from 800m to 1000m seems completely in line to me. I don't see why you are disbelieving, if so then she ran even slower from 800m-1000m 200m split(and she was knocking off 30-31s for whole entire last part of the race...)

You are probably right. The 800m mark just isn't in line with the marks to be seen (500, 900, 1000), but this might be within the normal uneveness.

It seems to me that she has little bit better potential than this 3:55, but I also think it was a pretty good performence for her and there's also an good probability that she will never ran faster (or just by some small margin). We will see. Still a VERY long way to 3:50,46...

she's in quite a training group. can't wait to see what kind of form makhloufi comes out in...

Peer Mediator wrote:

Wildebeest de Jour wrote:

The Dibabas have the best mechanics around, obviously have great genes and are crazy hot so that all combines to mean you hate America if you don't believe her performances are legit.

Is it so hard to think the best Ethiopian is 2-3% stronger than Cain, who is almost certainly going to break 4:00 this year? Don't underestimate the increased mass of the hindbrain, it's a big advantage when it comes to mechanics/fluidity.

It's not so much the time as the manner in which she did it that has caused more than a raised eyebrow. A WR, and a good one at that, shouldn't be set so 'easily' with no apparent fatigue at the end. It looked like a training run.

Yeah, I feel ya. The thing is, the faster you get, the easier it looks. It's not uncommon for a PR to feel "easy".

Example: after 3 months of inconsistent training due to injury/burnout, how does racing feel? Like crap, and it looks like crap and the result is crap. Contrast that with the best 3 month training block of your life; everything feels easy and you're always ready more. That's just how fitness works.

'the key to her improvement is that she has joined a camp which, unlike the kenyans, seems to have a well-used weight's room

i have no idea how tall she is, but her thighs now look power-packed, meaning she is squatting/leg-pressing some serious loads & often

this has always been the key to 800/1500 running - lotta weights, especially squats/presses/curls/raises/etc

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Either that or she has been on steroids like the Chinese

Or look at what the Ruskia's did on roids

LM wrote:

I'm a little confused what you are trying to say. I posted the video, marked at correct times.

There is no doubt (unless it isn't a 200m track) she crossed 600 in 1:35.2 and 1000 in 2:40.3. You can see here doing it. Why she dropped a 65 between 600 and 1k is an interesting question...but you can't seriously be disputing the fact that she did?

I think 600m was more like 1:35,1 and 1000m 2:40,0 - but that's not so important. If 800m was - say 2:09,2 (PM was 2:08,97 or something like that) - than her 200m before was around 34,1 and her 200m after around 30,8. That's a very big difference to me. In the middle if the race. Maybe the PM dropped out and she drastically accelerated? Still little bit strange to me, but probably correct.

[quote]ventolin^3 wrote:

& geb didn't run a 1500 outdoor in a golden league meet

he ran 3'33.7pb in '99

he ran a 3'35.9sb in chemnitz in '97

foolish enough to think these were in anyway comparable pace to his 3'31i ???

[quote]

Who cares! You asked us to name one and you overlooked the GOAT.

There is no "adjusting" to be done. You are wrong. Admit it.