Why we're all not running 2:22?

I agree for the most part. I guess that it all depends how serious you are about pursuing something. I could not imagine being with someone who didn't support my running because it is what is very important to me now. I would always wonder if the person would support me with later endeavors if they couldn't support me now. Someone who loves you should be able to support whatever is important to you even if they don't understand it. Sounds like you are a lucky person.

Ben Franklin.....

Got the car my soph year of college, 1998 toyota corrolla. got it new cause the lease was $200/month. all i could afford in college and had no money to spend $4-5k on a new car. corrolla has 91k on it, runs like the day i bought it and isn't going anywhere for a long time.

my rent is $300/month. the heat doesn't even f%^king work. i have an indoor/outdoor thermometer. it was 53 degrees in my room when i went to bed last night.

i own a TV that i bought for $100 five years ago. it's not plugged in and i don't get cable.

you saved a solid amount of money. i guess did just about the same, only i paid of fmy debt. at $1,200/month for 27 months after taxes.

yes, i do have a cell phone ($38/month)....but no land line in my house.

the only "luxury" i sau that i'd allow myself is that i save money to travel twice a year. ran london 'thon earlier this year, have spent a week in iceland, and i'm leaving in 3 weeks to do england/ireland for 11 days with my g-friend.

now that i'm out of debt though i'm "saving" about $1,800 a month. it's not going anywhere but into a big pile so i can quit my gig next year and have some fun.

thanks to everyone who has posted on this thread. i'm thrilled to see it become such a spirited debate - as someone said earlier.

Jason has a job. He designs slot machines for a living. All he needs are some tasty waves, a cool endorphin buzz and he's fine. Oh yeah... and an internet connection... And this lamp. That's all that Jason needs...is this lamp, the ashtray, the remote control, the paddle game, this magazine and the chair.... and an internet connection. (talk about mixed movie metaphors)

OK got the FTARH reference, what's the other? Got to keep up on the inside jokes, want to make sure I am watching the right movies, ha.

The fed prints money (that represents assets, goods, services, labor, the rest of us have, not them) and gives it to the people.

For example let's say they give everyone $1. Now at the end of the year we all have to pay 28% on this dollar, that basically doesn't exist because the fed didn't print it. So this 28% has to come from someone else's $1.

Therefore, if you can "earn" the 28% (and hopefully have something left over to live on) and pay it at the end of the year, that means someone else has only 44 cents and is up shit creek. You might notice there are a lot of people up shit creek these days. This is why.

Now, if you have only 44 cents and they want you to pay these taxes, from money that didn't exist in the first place, then you might get a "loan". Which of course would come from a bank, credit card company, or some other financial institution cohort of the fed, which loan your own or other people's money and assets to you so they can get you further in debt, utilize your labor, take your houses when (or before) you die, and so on.

Add on top of this sales tax, gas tax, state income tax, property tax, payments for water, sewer, picking up garbage, and trying to breathe and run at the same time, you can see how this might cause some problems.

Solution: realize the truth of what is being done, save your money and don't toss it away, get OUT of the corporate rat race, take care of yourself, and live for yourself and those around you who you care about.

Jerk!

Have a nice day.

That's the biggest load of crap I've ever seen. Do you not know how money and the economy works? Just cause I make a dollar doesn't mean someone loses a dollar you retard. It just means I have added a dollar's worth of goods or services to the economy. It doesn't mean I took it from someone else. If I built someone a house and they gave me $100,000 does it mean they're $100,000 worse off? No. Economic output is not how much money is out there, but one way of representing it is money supply times velocity, or the rate at which money changes hands. If money changes hands more often it means more goods and services are being produced, hence we are living better than we were before.

Were you too busy taking women's studies courses about why women deserve more athletic money that you couldn't find time to take an intro econ class?

Stop trying to hide behind your internet name. I know that you're Navin Johnson! You milquetoast!

"He hates these cans! Stay away from the cans!"

He meant "The Jerk", starring Steve Martin.

Which is what? I fail to see your question. I may not be a competitive runner, and nor do I chose to be. If I were to put everything in my running, I think I could run sub 2:20 in the marathon. I think the majority of people on this board if they put everything into their running could run sub 2:20. Its not all that hard. My perspective is just different from you guys. I am not arguing here. To me, a 2:18 marathon is no more than a 15:00 5k. If that's the way I feel, I hope you see why I would chose to do something else with my 6 hours a day.

Now, just because I made the choice to not be a competetive runner does not mean my role in US mid and long distance running is any less diminished. I would like to coach one day and am currently advising several athletes. I would like to use the money I some day make to help and fund promising athletes. My role is as important as anyone else's because I am doing what I feel is necessary... developing our Olympic Talent.

Again, not sure what your question is asking. Also... let me make one thing clear. I do not want to throw everything into my running to run 2:22 or 2:18 or 2:30. But if someone does, THAT's great for them. If making the OT is their ultimate goal, then I think that is awesome... especially if they do it. BUT, I'm not so sure it helps to have 100 guys running 2:20 when it comes to the Olympics... though that one poster had a good point about motivating youngsters. Didn't think about that before...

I am reminded of a saying from my childhood. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all be merry for Christmas. I think it diminishes the accomplishment of running sub 220 by saying that you could do it but don't feel like it. There are no guarantees in marathoning. Having been acquainted with several sub 220 marathoners, I have seen how they have busted their butts to do so and by saying that you could do it IF you wanted to, but you don't want to, just isn't right!

Bullseye.

Once somebody makes that unsupported claim, it really doesn't matter whether he's a former very good collegiate or an obese couch potato.

kartelite wrote:

If I built someone a house and they gave me $100,000 does it mean they're $100,000 worse off?

Actually, yes it does. They have a house but have given the $100,000 to you. Supposedly of equal value.

Let's say both of the items you have traded for are taxable, and the fed has given of you the $100,000 to begin with.

Now each of you will need to pay $28,000 in taxes, so you are left with $72,000. Then you work for a year, exchange more goods, services, and money, and on these things will be expected to pay 28% more in taxes.

Since you have all now exchanged the amount of $72,000, you will need to pay about $20,000 in taxes this time.

However, since at least half of you couldn't come up with the $28,000 the first year and had to borrow it from banks, who made you a "loan" with your and other consumer's own money, or else you borrowed it from credit cards, you will owe considerably more than the $28,000 in taxes you paid the first year.

By the way, banks can loan 11 times the amount of deposits. Which is the public's money, not theirs. So if they charge 5% on your loan, they are really making 55% on money which was not theirs in the first place. It was yours.

But of course they don't tell you that.

I bet they didn't teach you this in economics 101 did they.

Its' him! What's him doing here!?

You're not making any sense. As an economics/math double major, the bulk of my knowledge has come from sources other than econ 101 (which I actually didn't take, took AP exam in lieu). Banks can loan 11 times the amount of deposits. ASSUMING the binding reserve ratio is 9% AND all the employees decide to work for free, the bank building was donated, the bank is tax-exempt, etc...But the one bank isn't making 11 times what you're paying on the loan. You are thoroughly and utterly confused.

I don't really understand what $72,000 has to do with anything. What matters is what is produced and consumed, not the floating around of nominal dollar values. I wouldn't recommend you question my comprehension of basic economics.

Art-

1 - Congrats on the 2:18! I was shocked/surpised when I saw the results - I had no idea you were giving the marathon a shot. That's a pretty impressive debut (I assume it's at least your first serious effort...). I've talked to a you a bunch at races/meets, but the last I knew you were the "miler on a quest."

2 - Sorry nobody has picked up on your question. While I'm not sure of the answer, I'm interested to see how my own training/racing changes after my first "real" marathon (2:30 in Chicago). While I'm not trying to run a fast mile, I'm hoping to run sub 15 for 5K @ altitude this spring, 30:00 @ sea-level a little later, and then take a shot at sub 2:22 @ Chicago. I was able to run a few days after Chicago, but only able to start seriously training again in the last couple of weeks. The only thing I've noticed is that my "easy day" pace is a good 15 seconds/mile quicker than this summer. I figure I'm just stronger. I've started getting back into the tempo runs, but I'll probably put off any real intervals for awhile yet.

3 - I like the general vibe of "anyone who trains hard, regardless of time helps our sport." You obviously combine a national class level of talent with hard work, the desire to live the life and a love of the sport. I'm sure it helps that your family is living the life with you, but it's people like you that we need in coaching.

I know you're pretty well booked with the teaching & coaching, but as you get back to training I'd love to hook up with you for a run here & there. My schedule can be a little goofy, but we could probably make something work for the occasional long run. Let me know if you're interested...

Again, congrats on the marathon. Quite an accomplishment - though some people on this board seem to think that thousands of Americans should be running such a time...

Tim Geldean

Fleet Feet Sports Racing Team (Boulder)

tgeldean@hotmail.com

Portland Runner,

You mean "Navin R. Johnson, typical son of a bitch".

i doubt you could run sub 2:20 if you dedicated yourself to it 24x7, cause you have absolutely no clue. i can't believe you're gonna be a coach.