IT'S ON: Bernard Lagat or Chris Solinksy next 5000m AR at Bislett

reality bytes wrote:

I don't know, Solinsky showed he has a killer kick as well. He just might be able to pull it off if he can get even a little distance on him. Plus, Lagat doesn't have that 800m+ kick that Solinsky does. Most of his kick occurs in the last 200m.

Guys, that kick was not something you're going to see on the regular, not that big of a kick. Solinsky has stated time and time again that he was full of adrenaline that last mile. Adrenaline has allowed scrawny people to lift cars.

The reason we were all watching Chris in disbelief is because he was going somewhere he never normally goes. Don't expect that to be a standard finish for him. It's not realistic. I'd expect better finishes than previously simply because he has higher confidence and he knows that he is physically capable of it (albeit loaded on adrenanline) but the next time he's in a race where he's not feeling like it's a dream that adrenaline buildup will not be so high. Oslo will likely be just that.

FYI, Lagats kick looks like it's only in the last 200 because he has another gear the last 200. Had they been finishing up 5K at the cardinal invite, Lagat would have loved sitting off Chris that first 700 and then "kicking" in the last 200. That's the reality for now. I'd love to be wrong, but I've been around long enough to know what the likelihood of that is.

Lagat and Bekele are getting old though, and Chris and the rest keep improving, the gap grows smaller.[/quote]

You'd love to be wrong... sure. Why don't you get your head out of Lagat's ass. You can't seriously be attributing Solinsky's finish to an adrenaline rush. He did that because he was capable of running that. Just because "he said so himself" doesn't mean either you or him have any idea what you are talking about when it comes to the effects of adrenaline. How does Solinsky 'feel' adrenaline, anyway? In fact, just shut up and go troll somewhere else because you obviously don't know anything about science OR running.

Keep selling yourself on that. You obviously have not been in a big race with a chance to win when you "shouldn't have".

I have. Many have. When it happens you come up with more than you do on a usual day. For an indication of a usual day for Chris, check the last 3 years of racing. Check a few months ago when he got outkicked by Lagat and Rupp over 3K.

I'm not bagging on Chris, he is who he is. He's good. He's very good. He is not someone who comes up with that kind of kick on a regualar basis. He IS NOT. The results speak for themselves. We've all done something in our lives that was a little above and beyond. And we all eventually came back to our typical level.

You want to believe, fine keep believing, and if that involves ingoring every other indication of Chris's ability to kick in contrast to Lagats (i.e. every other race they've ever run) than so be it. Ignorance IS BLISS.

Precisely Watson wrote:

You'd love to be wrong... sure. Why don't you get your head out of Lagat's ass. You can't seriously be attributing Solinsky's finish to an adrenaline rush. He did that because he was capable of running that. Just because "he said so himself" doesn't mean either you or him have any idea what you are talking about when it comes to the effects of adrenaline. How does Solinsky 'feel' adrenaline, anyway? In fact, just shut up and go troll somewhere else because you obviously don't know anything about science OR running.

Trust me my man, that stuff happens. My current pr in the 5k was run with me going out a much faster pace than I'd ever done before...and closing with a 31-second last 200m. I had never shown that kind of kick before, and haven't in the few races I've run since. When you're on the cusp of something incredible, you DO in fact sometimes get a rush of adrenaline into your system that you wouldn't normally get, and it does in fact help you kick.

The science here is understanding the fact that when you run a distance race, most of your fast-twitch fibers are "along for the ride" and don't really do much. Accessing them at the end is just incredibly tough mentally...getting an adrenaline boost really helps. And you can't expect an addrenaline boost every day, that's not how it works.

MAYBE just maybe Chris Solinsky has increased his mileage and stayed healthy and had a greater stint of training and consistency then he had the past. The increased volume and quality of training; therefore, could very well have him in better shape than any year previously.

I'm quite sure this is the case as a former elite athlete myself, I know how often you get injuried or have minor setbacks that may throw off your year. Once an elite athlete like Chris gets a solid and consistent training the personal best start rolling. I would wager that Chris isn't done setting personal best this year as some of you assume. PB will follow in at least 2-3 other events- JUST WAIT!

Lagat and Solinsky might both fail to break the record simply by thinking too much about it and looking at splits for every lap and forget that there's a race going on. Strive for the win and the time will come to you as a gift.

Here's the weather report for Oslo:

http://www.accuweather.com/en-us/EUR/NO/NO011/Oslo/details2.aspx

Comparable to the Stanford race. If CS can hang onto Kipchoge, the AR may be his to lose. The question is going to be whether Lagat can hang onto a pace faster than his PR long enough to use that kick. If so, CS is going to have to use a "long finish" like Bekele did to Lagat in Berlin.

PersonalBestParade wrote:

I'm quite sure this is the case as a former elite athlete myself, I know how often you get injuried or have minor setbacks that may throw off your year. Once an elite athlete like Chris gets a solid and consistent training the personal best start rolling. I would wager that Chris isn't done setting personal best this year as some of you assume. PB will follow in at least 2-3 other events- JUST WAIT!

I don't doubt that he will PR from 1500-5K this summer. His 1500 and 3K are several years old now and his 5K is only 13:12. That's a big difference then taking on and beating 7:31/12:59 (while not a 5K runner) Lagat and breaking the AR of 12:56. A big difference. Chris can PR by 10 seconds and still be 6 seconds off the AR.

Chris has been quite healthy for years now though and Jerry has been using the same system for years now as well. He's had ample opportunities to run fast at 5K. I will say that I think he's often forced it too hard. He probably should have a mark closer to 13:05 by now. If he can go in and NOT try to get the AR or beat Lagat and just finish as well as he can his chances at a PR or even 13 minutes are greatly increased. The AR is a stretch at this point in my mind.

Distance races on the track are unlike the sprint events. World Records or American Records in distance track races come from planning them not just racing. Name more than one track middle or long distance race in the last 20 yrs where a World or American Record came from simply racing and not planning ahead of time to attack the record?

(Don't say Chris Solinsky because he was running in Galen Rupp's group of four athletes in which was attacking the American Record)

Pleaasse wrote:

Distance races on the track are unlike the sprint events. World Records or American Records in distance track races come from planning them not just racing. Name more than one track middle or long distance race in the last 20 yrs where a World or American Record came from simply racing and not planning ahead of time to attack the record?

(Don't say Chris Solinsky because he was running in Galen Rupp's group of four athletes in which was attacking the American Record)

Ritzenhein, 12:56 last August.

Nope your wrong not even Dathan Ritzenhein race was totally unplanned. Sure he didn't announce it but he said in the below interview, "it wasn't farfetched." While he went on to say alot more it boiled down to, it would be difficult and everything would click but he know he was in shape to come close.

http://www.examiner.com/x-15728-Boston-Running-Examiner~y2009m8d29-Dathan-Ritzenhein-breaks-5k-American-record-video

So try again please, two middle races WORLD or AMERICAN on the track that wasn't planned?

Name two middle or long distance track races where WORLD or AMERICAN records happened in the last 20 yrs that wasn't planned?

You're really stupid. NOBODY sets a world or American record who has not been training to get in GREAT shape. So to some extent of course they're all planned, in the sense that preparation is involved which meets opportunity. Go back to school.

You're so full of yourself. A very dangerous combination when you mix it with your level of stupidity. For your information, I have been in races like that, but I still don't know where you're getting this shit you're spouting. Whatever superstitious beliefs you may have about what made you run faster that one time, doesn't mean you can apply it universally. Never mind the fact that you're assuming Solinsky isn't in that kind of shape. When I see someone put in a good performance, I think they must have been training hard and had a good race. I don't think "oh, of course, adrenaline did it." It's not a matter of me wanting to believe, it's a matter of you making crazy assumptions and pushing them as fact. What evidence do you have that this "adrenaline rush" (which is a VERY rare event) was the sole factor in enabling Solinsky to do what he did?

You're making unquantified assumptions and bullshit observations. So you closed in 31. Big deal, I've closed in 30 under the same circumstances, but I've always had a good kick. It just happened to be a little better that time. I never made the assumption that I got infused with superhuman abilities just because I was able to outkick someone. And if you call that science, I'll bet you never went to college and probably flunked high school science.

So many immature trolls and so hard to avoid them!

who cares about an ar. daegu worlds is the next medal that matters and it isn't til aug 2011. lagat already has many worlds and oly medals and will be looking to add to his collection. solns is just a tadpole.

in the 10k, solinsky was running at 27:10 pace for 9k, or 13:35/5k, and that was easy enough for him to bang home in 1:56. That does not mean that he can hang at 13 flat and kick home as fast, because the pace itself might be all out already. He had done a ton of long tempos setting himself up for a 10k, but he'll need a lot of fast track work to do this. I hope he does it.

here we go, another letsrun moron

& of course it was a performance commensurate with your ability compared to big choge's 12'51 in 95F ?!

& most have been 13-flat affairs

only twice in his career has he run a race anywhere close to the calibre of his doha run:

1) 12'52 in '03 to win gold

2) 12'46pb in '04

the digging up of this hoary chestnut is always the immediate confirmation i am dealing with a loser with no clue about the sport

you do not know if i'm a 3'25 or 12'35 guy or not & only a moron correlates track knowledge being inversely proportional to track times

i suggest you learn from history for previous examples - the most obvious ones from recent years was hicham in '02 in rieti

if you had a clue about the sport you woud have seen him go for the all-time greatest 1500 in that race & at the bell/1200m mark he was on for not just a wr but a time in the 3'24s

the herculean effort upto that point took it's toll & he visibly died in the stretch - something never seen from him before in a gp race & he faded to a 3'26.98

that race finished him for the whole of the next year & despite winning 1500 gold in '03 he was only capable of a 3'28.40

even the year after when he won double gold, his best was 3'27.64 losing to bernie

clockwise, he was never the same again after the rieti race

further back in time, ron clarke's 10k in mexico finished him completely

i suggest you learn/comprehend the above for the concept of taking "the starch out of your sails"

Your definitely not a elite or even a former elite runner and I highly doubt your even a former national class runner with any talent. So please no more about 3:25 or even a 3:43 1500m from you CLOWN.

As far as Hicham El Guerrouj he ran his personal best which happen to be the WR. Every elite athlete run into a peak in their career and will not set personal best in every race, moron. His fading to 3:26 simply means he was running close to his all-time max effort and wasn't able to substain the effort that race.

You are the clown of Letsrun with your obnixous attitude, self-gloating, and refusal to even accept your wrong. Thinking that Hicham is supposed to improve his personal best every race or even every year is patheic and laughable.

TODAY is the day my letsrun's family that we find out if a new American Record will be run and if it will be Bernard Lagat or Chris Solinsky.