Which NCAA Distance Coach Has Screwed Up the Most Talent in 2009?

I get so tired of all the Metcalf bashing by one (probably paid) Oregon shill posting under different aliases. He's not the greatest genius, you may not like his personality, but that has dick to do with being a bad coach.

As for injuries etc., the area right around UW is not the best place to train distance runners. The concrete runner might like it though. Running on a short, mostly water-logged Foster's Island trail to the ARB hardly can count for a distance run. Otherwise you are on the crete.

It's sad because the overall area is beautiful and there's some nice trails to run on not too far away from Seattle.

why does the "talent" never get examined and their contribution to the lack of improvement/success. It is easy to bash coaches, but can they control all of the intangibles that determine success? Nutrition, Hydration, REST, positive support...the workouts are but one component

Which NCAA distance athlete has screwed up the best coaching talent in 2009?

Okay. This is interesting.

Morning Zoo w/Dick Gobbler wrote:

Truth is, some kids run well, others don't. Oddly enough, the better the recruit at UW, the worse they seem to do (Kiter, Fayant, Duke, etc), however I would tend to think that has more to do with the attitude and work ethic of those specific individuals than the coaching. From what I've heard about Kiter for instance, I don't think there's a coach in the world that could have helped him (maybe the same could be said about the others).

Some recruits come out of high school with exceptional talent and an exceptional (i.e., quirky) personality to boot. The two go hand in hand.

Coaching the exceptional athlete can and often does mean being able to do the impossible with someone who thinks differently or has a hard time doing what everyone else is doing.

I've seen coaches turn away from exceptionally talented athletes because they were too hard to work with. That's the coach's prerogative, and most people will understand how a coach could let an athlete can fall off the team when they are too hard to coach.

But there are some coaches who can handle those weirdly wired superstars.

Managing a team of hard-working, committed, always-on-time, above average athletes while catering to the superstars is a very special skill. Not every coach can do that. The coaches who do it seamlessly are the best coaches out there.

I'm not questioning Coach Smith coaching, just race strategy.

To go to pre-nationals and to run in the open race with not as much competition is questionable, and the race strategy at CC Nationals wasn't that good, considering have fast German ran in his first ever indoor mile race. I'm not sure if German would have been ready to compete with Rupp and Sam, but could you imagine if he was with them with 400 meters to go? German would not have had to run with them but to have just been in better position.

ROBERT GARY AND OHIO STATE

Once Upon A Time wrote:

Kelley, that's OK. You don't have to continue convering for Greg. He's a big boy.

Hey there big boy! Good try there, but better luck next time. Not Kelley, not funny.

And yes, the Northlake Tavern has delicious pizza.

What ever happened to Kinsella? Did he ever put together a full year? Talk about talent. Run on grass people!

Has anyone ever thought that it is not the coach that screws up the athletes? I mean, I have been a coach for a couple years now, and I will be there first one to admit that I have messed up, but also, I have coached numerous athletes who make poor decisions... staying up late, eating unhealthy, drinking etc... How is that the coaches fault?

Metcalf. He has messed up most of the talent given to him by Kelley Strong. Hand's down, it is Metcalf from Washington, as the guy who has screwed up the most athletes. How many have been injured this year? How many are running slower than a year ago? His coaching performance with these women has been attrocious.

The answer is, and always will be, John McDonnell.

I dont care if he didnt coach in 2009, surely he still found a way to destroy a career or two for his own short sighted goals.

Seeing this thread bumped made me wonder how peterson has been doing at tulane. Anybody got info?

I think what's more interesting to look at as far as coaches screwing up talent is the teams that get a lot of kids that could have gone to a top-tier DI team where they would have been the slowest on the team so they instead go to a mediocre DI where they think they'll be the best on the team but instead end up miserably underperforming.

why not wrote:

Which NCAA distance athlete has screwed up the best coaching talent in 2009?

Ha, ha. True.

When an athlete parties too much, chases too many men/women, and doesn't eat right, get enough sleep, and underperforms because of it, it is always 100 percent the coach's fault.

And if the coach makes sure none of the above happns, he/she is a control freak and the athletes are being treated like babies.

You can't win.

I mean, this will never change because I think this is the biggest waste of talent in NCAA distance running.

CRAIG FORYS.

so..., therefore Ron Warhurst.

Also, Fout still continues to disappoint even though he I slowly getting better.

No One wrote:

Has anyone ever thought that it is not the coach that screws up the athletes? I mean, I have been a coach for a couple years now, and I will be there first one to admit that I have messed up, but also, I have coached numerous athletes who make poor decisions... staying up late, eating unhealthy, drinking etc... How is that the coaches fault?

This is true; an athletes success depends on their own commitment to being excellent. In addition, the athlete must believe in their own program. Too many times athletes just want to party in college and so end up unable to recover from mediocre workouts and carrying around 10-15 extra pounds.

no good wrote:

I mean, this will never change because I think this is the biggest waste of talent in NCAA distance running.

CRAIG FORYS.

so..., therefore Ron Warhurst.

Also, Fout still continues to disappoint even though he I slowly getting better.

Fout just has the most fragile body ever. I can't really blame the coaching when he gets hurt all the time (and did in high school, too).

I would not say that Helmer was pretty good at coaching women. When he left Georgetown, all of the women were injured. It seems that he can have one or two stars and the rest of the team is injured.It's too bad too, there were some really talented people who never reached their full potential. It is likely both partly due to the athlete and the coach, but if the whole team is injured it seems to be a pattern.