Galen Rupp vs. Scott Bauhs

COME ON wrote:

BAUHS has never been trained like Gaylen..come on. All this help from Nike since like freshman year of H.S.

BAUHS is better and more talented.

Wesley Smith had a lot of upside too, was 2nd in hs at xc nats off like 30-35 mpw if i remember correctly. how did he turn out?

People like to say, so and so will improve more because they haven't trained hard yet. Who were several of the best runners last year? Rupp/ritz/mcdougal/hall all seemed to do pretty well at one point or another last year. All were very high milage runners in HS and since. How did the low millage HS stars do last year? Upside? Please. I think Bauhs has a lot of potential, but don't kid yourself in thinking just by training hard he will become that much greater. Many become worse.

Did bauhs make footlocker in high school?

I hope we seem some all, drag down fights between these guys over the next ten years - i hope they both kick ass and take names and push our country into the next level with teg and solinsky and hall and all of them. f***ing rock the house and give us some awesome results. but i hope some of them stay on the track, cuz the track is where it is exciting, a marathon is not that fun to watch - but an awesome, competitive 10k or 5k - yeah, that makes for good track & field!

I regret to inform all of you track geeks that Rupp has hit his peak. He won't improve much from now, if at all. I don't care about his 40/30 workout; what matters is races, not workouts, and Rupp's times have not improved substantially in the last 2 years. He's the classic example of somebody who's trained at an elite level since high school, and has now topped out. He ran 13:37 in high school and he has subsequently not broken 13:30. I won't be surprised if Rupp retires in the next few years. He'll spend the rest of his days cursing Alberto Salazar for burning him out.

As for Bauhs, we haven't yet seen his full potential. He's never trained at Rupp's level, nor benefited from elite coaching. I think it's likely that he'll post faster marks than Rupp by the time he's done.

But all of this talk about Rupp and Bauhs is irrelevant. What really matters is Alan Webb. Alan Webb will run 5K and 10K faster than Rupp or Bauhs. Alan Webb will also run a 2:04 marathon in 2016 and will win marathon gold at the 2016 Olympic Games. Neither Rupp nor Bauhs will touch 2:08 in the marathon.

Alan Webb is the future! 1500 Gold 2012 baby! Marathon Gold 2016 baby!

Alan Webb > Rupp + Bauhs

Bauhs is a badass you goes balls out every time he tees it off with the big boys. He trains hard and has shown consistant determination to get to where he is. And he also has a sub 4 mile, where is Rupp at 4:01 in high school won't do you shit.

Galen is definitely the class of the field.

Scott can beat runners from outside the US

http://www.letsrun.com/2008/bauhs1128.php

Galen runs fine against people from the US, but he sucks on the international stage. We really don't know how Baus will do in that forum yet, but one thing is for sure:

GALEN RUPP WILL NEVER BRING AN OLYMPIC MEDAL TO THE UNTIED STATES (unless NIKE buys one from the committee and gives it to him).

Rupp every time

I don't know what Rupp's plans for the spring and next year are, because I think he still has a year of eligibility in track and another year of eligibility in xc. if not now, then after the track season would be the best time, i think, for him to go pro. he could stay with oregon and get another championship next year, because he'd be basically training the same as if he went pro, just making the money yet, but he doesn't really appear to need the money to train at the highest level this country can produce. if you can't bring the boy to altitude, let the altitude tent bring it to him, right?

anyway, i think a 10k in hengelo early on in the track season would probably be a good race for him to do. true his 5k pr is 13:30 and his 10k pr is 27:33. i think both times are indicative of his abilities, but do not show is full potential. when rupp ran 13:30 he was not preparing to be in peak shape, i think it was still the middle of the ncaa track season. obviously he is limited by his lack of speed over shorter distances (800m - 2000m), but if he can train his body to endure fast laps thrown in the middle of 10k's, he may be able to compete with some of the top 10k runners in the world, but i do think he will ever be able to compete with anyone in a 10k being run significantly faster than 27:00 pace. i think rupp is capably of nearing the 27:00 barrier, maybe 26:50-55 at best, but i think that would be a long shot for an american born. it's hard to see him ever bringing home an olympic or world champ medal in a 10k, although i guess if kara can do it, rupp can do it too, but it would be no higher than a silver or bronze. rupp would have to develop stunning speed (<<60 seconds last 400, <2:00 last 800m) and be with or near the front pack in order to compete in a truly world class 10k, and by compete, i mean compete for a medal. because of his limited speed, he obviously will be less competitive at 5000m, though i think he will still run in the 13:00-13:10 range. before, i said his 13:30 is indicative of his abilities, but really, it doesn't paint the best picture of his abilities. if he can run 13:30 and then 2 weeks later run 13:50 and 13:43 back-to-back to run 27:33, then he's obviously in better shape than 13:30 5k shape. rupp could probably be in 13:20 shape in a matter of 4-6 weeks if he wanted to be. so i will say it might be probably that rupp hits his peak earlier in life than bauhs does, but i do not think that means bauhs will become a better runner than rupp. it'll just take bauhs longer to his his peak, but in the end he will not have a faster 10k pr than rupp. i believe he may be able to compete against rupp over 5k and shorter distances, but rupp will be a "distance master" in the end, to the likes of al sal, meb keflizighi, alan culpepper, and such.

Put away a serious 10k....sub 27:20??? So I guess it's serious if you get lapped only once by Kenny B? This is the United States future?

alum wrote:

bauhs over rupp on a race of pure guts (xc course full of mud,hills,snow,wind)

Surely such a course would never be "Rupp Certified".

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the next year or two should make bauh's potential clear as we see whether he improves rapidly on pro training with a great training group. rupp is finally making his quantum leap forward this year, as evidenced by the trials/finals, nationals, regionals, and that 30/40 workout. that should take him to American record territory at 10k, but he seems to lack the basic speed to get close to any of the big track barriers. throw in McD at the marathon, with Hall, Ritz, and maybe Rupp and you have the best group of marathoners we've had in thirty years.

Bauhsland wrote:

Bauhs is a badass you goes balls out every time he tees it off with the big boys. He trains hard and has shown consistant determination to get to where he is. And he also has a sub 4 mile, where is Rupp at 4:01 in high school won't do you shit.

That's very short sighted. Bauhs deserves a lot of credit for getting here he is. But he's proof that he was no where near as hard a worker as many distance runners earlier in life. He's not like Brian Sell who just got where he was from hard work over time. Bauh's is an extremely talented runner who's got where is he by finally trying hard and gotten there very quickly. I would wager to say he's more talented then Rupp, but Rupp has worked his ass off day in and day out for many years whereas Bauhs hasn't. Anyone who can get that fast in that short of time is either insanely talented and finally put their talent to use, or a drug cheat like the irish guy a few years ago who dropped a mid 27 10k out of no where. (i'm not suggesting bauh's is a cheat by any means).

So there you have it. Rupp is WAY more dedicated, and Bauh's is extremely talented and is just finally tapping into it. There's no other option. And he shouldn't get more credit just because he finally decided to make use of his talent whereas others have worked for years to get the most out of their bodies.

first of all faglen rupp has had everything given to him since the first day Salazar saw him run... give me any 9th grade highschool boy with any bit of talent and let me train him long enough and hard enough and he will eventually turn into a great distance runner. now obviously rupp is, talent wise, an above average athlete; however, take away coaching, training, nike, oregan, alter-g, breath-right strips, and everything else that has contributed to his developement and were is he.?. we will never know? but one thing is for sure... Bauhs does not have any of the above mentioned advantages that have so abundantly been at rupps desposal. now compair where these conditions have taken both athletes. their times are very comparable.. but now there is a new factor.. bauhs goes pro and runs for Terrence Mahon.

i think Bauhs has proven himself as a serious competetor without any help from anyone else... i predict that he will continue to improve dramatically, as we have already seen from him, and will become america's top 10k'er. betting rupp. of course rupp will continue to get faster as he gets older but bauhs has more room for improvement and he is already closing in on rupps pr's.

...don't get me wrong rupp is great but bauhs is better.

i think what you're trying to say is bauhs has done better for himself with the resources that have been available to him than rupp has done for himself given the resources he's receieved. i don't think that means bauhs is better, and at the same time, let's try not to discredit Gary Towne, who has obviously been a solid coach having been in charge of such a dominant program for the past how long? 10 years? maybe more, maybe less? scott bauhs was just the right kind of athlete put in the right kind of program. look at the other runners that chico state recruits. they're not your footlocker finalists but they still have done a continually impressive job with bringing up good runners to extraordinary acheivements. i dont know why people don't talk about gary town like they do scott simmons and the like. put gary towne in charge of a d1 xc team and see where he takes them.

don't forget rupp ran 13:37 out of high school, with no oregon, no nike, no breathe-right strips, no anti-gravity treadmill, etc., etc. granted he had salazar coaching him, but salazar was just coaching rupp's abilities at that time, so there is a fundamental difference in their level of talents. bauhs is obviously a talented runner, and while he may not have seemed as talented before, he has certainly earned that level of respect. i wish we could see both of these athletes train together, sharpen diamond with diamond, and i hope Gary Towne gets his D2 Championship someday.

Galen elementally has more juice (legal kind). I think he will eventually be the american record holder in all events above 3000m.

irun wrote:

Galen Rupp:

7:49 3000m

13:30 5000m

27:33 10000m

NCAA D1 XC Champ

Scott Bauhs

3:59 Mile

13:31 5000m

27:48 10000m

NCAA D2 XC Champ

I think both Rupp and Bauhs are amazing athletes, talented, hard working, and humble. They've also accomplished some similar feets, like winning national cross country titles and running sub 28 for 10k. I'm curious though who has more potential to improve as distance runners. I hope we see them have long, successful running careers. It would be nice to see both compete on the same U.S. Olympic 10k team some day. Maybe 2012? By then both runners should be able to put away a serious 10k, probably sub 27:20.

That's just plain insulting to Bauhs. So he just decided to work hard one day, and all of a sudden runs 1:03 and sub-28. Of course, it's just that easy! And of course you casually drop the drugs angle in the middle of your argument.Think about it this way. Over the last four years, your boy Rupp, in spite of all of his hard work (in your mind he's obviously a harder worker), he's dropped a mighty seven seconds in the 5k. Wow! That hard work is really paying off.If you think Bauhs doesn't work as hard as Rupp does, you're sadly mistaken. Perhaps he's living proof that all of the anti-grav treadmills, nose strips, altitude tents, etc. are just BS. Maybe all of the little extra things Galen does (workouts after races, for example) aren't really worth it.

Mrr82 wrote:

Bauh's is an extremely talented runner who's got where is he by finally trying hard and gotten there very quickly. I would wager to say he's more talented then Rupp, but Rupp has worked his ass off day in and day out for many years whereas Bauhs hasn't.

Some of you people act as if being talented or being given the label "talented" is a bad thing...

I don't get it.

ok irun.... i will go all_out_balls_out on you!

listen, Gary Towne might be Gary Towne but he's no Simmons... Simmons is a big deal because he is an innovator and he has never had a d1 program and this is only his 3 semester at d2 level. if you don't know why simmons is a bigger deal than towne maybe you should read simmons book. name one other coach from an NAIA program that is talked about on the national level..

anyways back to the issue.

look at the time the athletes have had under the coaches. Rupp has been with Salazar for something like 8 or 9 years. Bauhs never ran what Rupp did in high school but that was then this is now. rupp 13:37 into now a 13:30... Bauhs 15:36 now 13:31... without Salazar. See what i am saying. Bauhs is starting to devolpe as an athlete whereas Rupp has always been developed... and Gary Towne is no Salazar. if we could i would love to see where Bauhs would be now given Rupps training for all these years. but anyways.. i don't see any huge jumps coming in rupps performance level given his history but i do see it from bauhs given his history... bauhs will surpass rupp.