East Coach2 wrote:
Usher, why on Earth would I want your job? I'm doing fine where I'm at. I guarantee my boys and girls programs had higher national rankings than yours did last year.
I can guarantee it too, since we finished 4th in our conference.
And it was one of my best coaching jobs, much better than the year we finished 1-2-3 individually in the state meet.
Enough with he pissing contest East Coast2 and Usher! You guys sound like little bitches.
Kooter, give the paavo thing a try. Like many of the other posters suggest, though, you will discover that the system will have to be adapted.
I went to all the levels of the Paavo clinics and used the program for a few years when i started coaching 10 years ago. I used it because I didn't know anything else and there was an enthusiastic community of supportive coaches using the program across the country. We had some success with it but ran into the same problems pointed out by all of the other posters.
The most important thing i've learned in ten years of coaching is no SYSTEM works. Coaching is working with individual athletes and observing how they respond to training and how they race and contantly adapting training based on the current situation. Any of this sh*t that says " On Tuesday we do . . . " is mindless.
I recently attended the Distance Summit in Iowa, and was surprised at how many coaches were looking for the magic system. Even the Woodlands guy, with all of his success, is looking for it. He commented that he was intrigued with the Paavo kids success in Texas, so he ran to Vigil looking for the "system." It was so much like the Paavo system in its weekly schedule, balls out intensity, and rigidity that I had to laugh.
Learn physiology, carefully observe and communicate with your athletes, take good notes on training and competing, and take a genuine interest in the kids you coach--that beats any system
Thanks paavo-speak for that post. Your not the first person I've heard say those things and its exactly right, systems do have to be adapted with the athletes and their progress, its only common logic.
I'll do my best with taking good notes on training and see how it goes for me in the upcoming months. I'm all ways interested in trying new things.
Thanks again
Whatever you say, sweetheart. Hopefully your athletes compose themselves with class despite the crappy role model they have for a coach. Your "guarantee" means nothing here, so save it. Put up or shut up. I can't say that I always agree with him but I'd stake Usher's tenor and contributions on this board over the years over what some big-mouthed pipsqueak is beating his sunken chest about. Any good coach gives all the credit to the athletes when they succeed, you come off as full of puffed-up, blustery self-importance denoting poor self-esteem.
You know what I say put up or shut up. I have seen some things that usher has written in the past and would agree with him. So lets see some links to some results.
yes some links would be sweet...good call PPP
Bohica wrote:
Whatever you say, sweetheart. Hopefully your athletes compose themselves with class despite the crappy role model they have for a coach. Your "guarantee" means nothing here, so save it. Put up or shut up. I can't say that I always agree with him but I'd stake Usher's tenor and contributions on this board over the years over what some big-mouthed pipsqueak is beating his sunken chest about. Any good coach gives all the credit to the athletes when they succeed, you come off as full of puffed-up, blustery self-importance denoting poor self-esteem.
That last sentence is a run-on.
LOL
I know.
Hi I just wanted more information about the training method in terms of exercise physiology and science to back it up. I just inherited an all state girl in indiana that has been training on it before I got there. She is 16 only a sophmore and has been training on it for only this past xc season. Her father is a bit overbearing and it seems like he is the one pushing this, while she just goes with whatever he says. I'm a Daniels/Lydiard/Chapman disciple and I want to back up my reasoning to this man without him hating me. I'm a relatively young coach only 22 and just inheriting my first head coaching job in track. Any suggestions would help a ton...my email is on my post... thanks
So far Colby Lowe has made a great transition into college, and he was a Paavo guy.
I think the problem is most of the paavo runners go to crappy programs.
I'll let you know if this is right when CJ Brown or Neal Smith or Tara Upshaw (southlake carroll) go to a strong program and suck.
Ondrasik was on Colbys team and transitioned into a college program just fine right before he did. 400 flatish guy now i believe.