Is it fair to notice the world's 2 best distance runners Jacob Kiplimo and Beatrice Chebet both have Frederico Rosa as an agent?

According to your profile, over the past six months, you have posted: 16,430 times in Let's Run's forums.

I don't know who you are, but you seem like an obsessed former Kenyan. Would I be correct in saying that?

It is totally understandable to favour a home country, we all do it even subconsciously.

You can be forgiven.

Of course “East Africa has been the epicenter of distance athletes”. The 1980’s is when the foreign (I believe majority being Italian but please anyone correct me if I am wrong) coaches, agents… selective Catholic school “teachers” saw the opportunity to go unchecked (for a long time) with respect to profiting from doping and age cheating (falsifying birth certificates which had to have government assistance) and had to have been orchestrated through the political establishment and NGO’s for profit.

What I am pointing out now (yes off topic to a degree) is all that is East African countries benefiting from doping, the blatant theft that primarily Kenya and secondarily other East African countries have been doing for decades against clean athletes, and age appropriate athletes.

Kenyan athletes were then ( the 80’s to present) totally manipulated for duel participation greed. Kenya was wide open for exploitation and to get on the monetary exploitative wagon was easy for those that brought their bag of tricks to Kenya.

You Sir, continue to defend Kenya (which is corrupt as ever and at every level) and remains very tribal which is a different topic but even that plays into sport there. Yes, you do your best to deflect in most of your posts as posters have stated before and in this thread.

Could you be an agent for Kenya. It sure seems that way.

It's a bad typo.

My point is that it seems that WADA is compromised by Lawyers who protect the drug coaches.

It's probably more accurate to say that the system of drug testing is corrupt and always has been.

Look again -- that's over the past 10 years and 6 months.

You would be quite incorrect in saying I'm an obsessed former Kenyan. I'm an obsessed current American.

It may still seem like a lot of posts, but many of them are like this one, responding to someone else's faulty interpretations or wrong conclusions, and answering a side question which is not relevant to anything.

Ah, correct since 2015, my bad. For some reason I saw “2025,” but still, since 2008, I have posted 800-plus times.

In seven fewer years you have posted over 16,000.

So, yes, does seem like a lot.

But as I showed you earlier, anti-doping organizations must "prove" that an anti-doping rule violation occurred to the "comfortable satisfaction" of an arbitrator or arbitration panel before we can begin talking about any sanctions.

It's hard to fathom how this evidentiary burden is a bigger problem than organizations unilaterally sanctioning people without any such procedural protections, but I guess we are all entitled to our opinions.

Maybe as "Wetcoast". But there is also an account "AthleticsIllustrated" which has posted 276 times.

I reckon I could have posted about one-tenth of these posts if I didn't correct the misinformation of other posters, and if other posters were disciplined and/or courageous enough to respond to the content of my posts, rather than changing the topic or moving the goalposts or turning it into a post about me to avoid addressing the central questions and points raised.

I'm just waiting now for the next post to accuse me of straying off-topic and deflection by responding to you twice. But that's 2 posts that were completely unnecessary.

In fairness you do come across as a doping apologist for Kenya....who have by a country mile the most athletes banned and have ruined long distance running as a competition with the rampant cheating.

No need to answer, we'll only be going over old discussion where you address my facts by calling them misinformation 🤣

I thought in this thread, I was allegedly defending Rosa against fallacy based insinuations that he must be involved in any athlete doping, despite criminal investigations starting at least 10 years ago. Is it really considered a "defense" to ask if there exists any substantial evidence to support seemingly baseless attacks?

I find it amusing to see me accused of defending Kenya, or being an agent for Kenya, when I have made similar requests for substantial evidence for athletes around the world, ranging from Radcliffe to Houlihan to Mary Decker Slaney to Asinga to the entirety of NOP athletes, etc.

For example, I have seen no real evidence of East African doping to any significant scale before ~2010 timeframe, just empty allegations similar to yours which want to blame the Italians (and Brother Colm?) and have over the years, morphed into a modern mythology, so I find it quite premature to conclude anything about East African doping in the 1980s, 1990s, or 2000s.

But prove me wrong. I can be persuaded by the production of such evidence, but apparently making evidence based arguments is quickly becoming a lost art.

To me it's not at all hard to fathom. There are procedural protections but when an agent or coach has multiple athletes caught doping it isn't hard to believe he is either incompetent and isn't advising his athletes well or complicit.

One, that handle was available to a few people. So you stand corrected in a sense. I may have used if 50 times.

Two, you would be more courageous if you identified yourself instead of freely identifying others who are using pseudonyms, while you hide behind yours.

Your first question here, trying to deflect from Rosa to the journalist who wrote this piece. But in your strange imagination, you just "request any substantial evidence". In the meantime, you have asked more than 20 deflecting question (I stopped counting).

Are you really that deluded and forgetful? Then scroll up, and read your questions again. Requesting evidence, lol.

Look again – most of your posts consist of deflecting questions, often several per post, not corrections at all. This thread is quite typical for that. Again, scroll up if you really forgot.

I continue to be surprised how anyone could possibly draw such a wrong conclusion from any of my long history of posts.

Certainly if Kenyans dope, or Africans dope, or non-Africans dope, or any other party dopes, then by all the power of the WADA Code, I offer no apologies for their actions and decisions.

If Federico Rosa is eventually found to be involved in the doping of his athletes, or of any athletes, then he too should be treated accordingly under the full power of the WADA Code.

These are conditional statements which require someone to do the intellectual work. There are no shortcuts.

It's not hard to fathom and it isn't hard to believe. I think we are on the same page here.

But to rise to the point where he should be sanctioned requires something more than fathoming and believing, as it should.

The "journalist" wrote the piece about Rosa, I guess because the Ugandan Kiplimo set a new record.

I'll repeat the initial questions:

and some followup questions:

All the more puzzling as I discovered the same article was essentially written last July, and the same idea has appeared dozens of times since 2015.

Someone answered "yes" to the first question -- that it is fair to ask. The rest remain unanswered. Instead, I am confronted with a wall of predictable accusations of trolling, deflecting, apologizing, etc., and being accused of such deflections as others try to amateur psychoanalyze me -- all of the classic bingo entries which deflect from addressing any important points.

Without appealing to fallacy, what is the connection to Rosa and his doped athletes, beyond being their agent? Apparently the authorities have been investigating that for as long as 10 years, but they should come here to letsrun where everyone has it all figured out.

Of all of these "questions", only this one "What is the connection?" can be explained as asking for evidence. All the rest, including asking how many athletes Drummond had is "trolling, deflecting, apologizing, etc." Looks like you are understanding this now.

Your name or my name doesn't really advance the conversation. I've been posting as rekrunner for longer than you've been writing you are interested to see if Rosa and Berardelli are complicit.

Trying to make this all about me (a common deflection technique) sidesteps the question about whether Rosa's alleged role in the doping of his athletes is something based solely on fallacies, or something more substantial, over your decade long interest.

I understand it still remains unanswered, except that he was the agent of some 15 or so doped athletes, among (I learned) thousands of athletes that the Rosas have worked with over the decades.

Regarding Drummond, I don't understand this as *my* trolling, deflecting, apologizing, etc., but my responding to a direct question to me from "Mathing it out" -- an irrelevant question I followed up with "Seems like the more important question is how many athletes would it take to turn a fallacy into substantial evidence?"

That is pretty much the same pattern throughout -- all typical forum gymnastics to avoid the obvious conclusion that any suspicions are based on nothing more than an agency relationship.