Who does Jakob Ingebrigsten view as his rival? Hocker or Kerr?

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I was gonna say this. His other biggest rival is his stubbornness it seems.

not off topic``` wrote:

not off topic but this question made me notice both Hocker and Kerr end in "ker."

other milers whose names ended in "ker" include

Mary Decker, Abubaker Khamis, David Krumennacker, John Walker, Mohamed Babiker, Tim Hacker, Uwe Becker, Han Kulker, Olin Hacker, Joe Klecker, Darryl Frerker, Sage Hurta-Klecker, and Ellie Baker.

While looking this up, I noticed John Walker has about as many sub 3:40s as all the rest of them combined. Absolute madman

human performance wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So over 2 and a half years ago. Hasn't hampered him since - winning global finals in 2024/25. There must be another reason why he can only win one big race a year in the last couple of years.

As as I said, load management is key. He must be careful to not overly exert himself in order to prevent another injury. Staying injury free the past two years has enabled Hocker to win national and global championships.

Clean track athletes cannot go hard and maintain their highest level all year long. It is physically impossible.

Timon of Athens wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So over 2 and a half years ago. Hasn't hampered him since - winning global finals in 2024/25. There must be another reason why he can only win one big race a year in the last couple of years.

Did not is not the same as can not.

Timon of Athens wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

So over 2 and a half years ago. Hasn't hampered him since - winning global finals in 2024/25. There must be another reason why he can only win one big race a year in the last couple of years.

He was disqualified after the semifinal of the Men's 1,500m at the Tokyo World Championships in 2025. It's reasonable to think he had a chance at winning the final. You conflate did not with cannot. You are not omniscient.

Armstronglivs wrote:

human performance wrote:

As as I said, load management is key. He must be careful to not overly exert himself in order to prevent another injury. Staying injury free the past two years has enabled Hocker to win national and global championships.

Clean track athletes cannot go hard and maintain their highest level all year long. It is physically impossible.

They don't have to maintain their highest level all year round. That isn't what is being argued. But the best clean athletes have been consistent winners. Some have had incredible winning streaks. They don't run one good race a year and fall out of the picture for the rest (unless injured).

human performance wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

They don't have to maintain their highest level all year round. That isn't what is being argued. But the best clean athletes have been consistent winners. Some have had incredible winning streaks. They don't run one good race a year and fall out of the picture for the rest (unless injured).

Hocker has to be at or near his highest level to win. He is not so far above his peers that he can beat all of them all year long. So what? I’d rather be the man who wins the championship races than the guy who owns May or June.

Which clean distance runners have been consistent winners in the last 30 years?

Your last sentence is inaccurate. Hocker has more than one good race a year. Please base your criticisms in reality.

Jakob is a past wrote:

human performance wrote:

Hocker has to be at or near his highest level to win. He is not so far above his peers that he can beat all of them all year long. So what? I’d rather be the man who wins the championship races than the guy who owns May or June.

Which clean distance runners have been consistent winners in the last 30 years?

Your last sentence is inaccurate. Hocker has more than one good race a year. Please base your criticisms in reality.

We should show this sentence to a "psychology expert" so that he can give us a diagnosis.

One of the symptoms would be the "fear of unknown", "insecurity" ... etc.

Since Usain Bolt was consistent beating a bunch of Americans, he should have doped...

Jakob is a past wrote:

You still despising others, every little post of this forum show it.

And always you end breaking your faces.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Timon of Athens wrote:

He was disqualified after the semifinal of the Men's 1,500m at the Tokyo World Championships in 2025. It's reasonable to think he had a chance at winning the final. You conflate did not with cannot. You are not omniscient.

"Did not" is fact. "Cannot" in the context you refer to is purely speculative. It doesn't change what he achieved, which was only two significant victories in the last two years. That isn't the kind of performance that is consistent with the very best athletes. They win more than they lose. He doesn't.

human performance wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

They don't have to maintain their highest level all year round. That isn't what is being argued. But the best clean athletes have been consistent winners. Some have had incredible winning streaks. They don't run one good race a year and fall out of the picture for the rest (unless injured).

Hocker has to be at or near his highest level to win. He is not so far above his peers that he can beat all of them all year long. So what? I’d rather be the man who wins the championship races than the guy who owns May or June.

Which clean distance runners have been consistent winners in the last 30 years?

Your last sentence is inaccurate. Hocker has more than one good race a year. Please base your criticisms in reality.

human performance wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

They don't have to maintain their highest level all year round. That isn't what is being argued. But the best clean athletes have been consistent winners. Some have had incredible winning streaks. They don't run one good race a year and fall out of the picture for the rest (unless injured).

Hocker has to be at or near his highest level to win. He is not so far above his peers that he can beat all of them all year long. So what? I’d rather be the man who wins the championship races than the guy who owns May or June.

Which clean distance runners have been consistent winners in the last 30 years?

Your last sentence is inaccurate. Hocker has more than one good race a year. Please base your criticisms in reality.

Timon of Athens wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

"Did not" is fact. "Cannot" in the context you refer to is purely speculative. It doesn't change what he achieved, which was only two significant victories in the last two years. That isn't the kind of performance that is consistent with the very best athletes. They win more than they lose. He doesn't.

Knucklehead. YOU were the one who wrote that he, Hocker, can not win based on a did not. You seem capable of understanding that so I am led to believe that you are dishonest.

clean winners wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

He doesn't win at an international level except when he runs a global championship final once a year. Suspicious as hell. That isn't what we typically see with the best athletes. Take away Hocker's global finals and no one outside a few American running fans would know or care who he is. Just another also-ran at an international level without those two races.

Which clean distance runners have been consistent winners in the last 30 years?