What are you talking about about? My kid is at Wartburg and the coaching staff is very conservative with mileage and intensity. Lots of cross training and supplemental work to try to keep people healthy. I've been shocked at how little the athletes are running given the success they have had. I get that people want to hate on Wartburg (I was one of those people, too) but don't make up stuff about them.
I coach at a rival ARC school. Everyone loves to hate Wartburg but the truth is it’s mostly jealousy, certainly is for me. They have nice facilities, but don’t really stand out in ways that any other school does. I was a 4:44 guy in HS and they recruited me like I was Galen Rupp. Handwritten notes, visits, etc. Steve Johnson built that monster of a program with a great system and absolutely relentless recruting. His predecessors have done a great job taking it even further. Wartburg is an absolute wagon, and they deserve it.
So what is your story? 4:44 is very slow for any collegiate level and most 4:44 guys don’t even run in college. What times did you end up running in college?
I'd say any program that has predominately U.S. runners. I am not a Trump/MAGA ass hat but the use of foreign runners is an absolute shame IMO. Foreign runners should be welcome but only as walk ons/pay your own way type deal. Any state institution (tax payer funded) should be U.S. athlete scholarships only. Private schools do what you wish. I'll go a step further we need to reconsider age limits again as well. If I hear another 25 year freshman blah blah....I'm gonna puke! There's a huge difference between an 18 year old runner and 25 (and don't say 7 years!) Lastly, the "coaches" that are head hunting like this should be called what they are and it's not coaches....more like footmen or drivers. Just get them to the meet. Pathetic.
I coach at a rival ARC school. Everyone loves to hate Wartburg but the truth is it’s mostly jealousy, certainly is for me. They have nice facilities, but don’t really stand out in ways that any other school does. I was a 4:44 guy in HS and they recruited me like I was Galen Rupp. Handwritten notes, visits, etc. Steve Johnson built that monster of a program with a great system and absolutely relentless recruting. His predecessors have done a great job taking it even further. Wartburg is an absolute wagon, and they deserve it.
So what is your story? 4:44 is very slow for any collegiate level and most 4:44 guys don’t even run in college. What times did you end up running in college?
At D3, there is a huge amount of runners at the level I was at, and still are today. The only reason I didn’t go to Wartburg is because I wanted to go to a school on the west coast. Certainly wasn’t an amazing runner by any means, but got down to 4:12 in the 1500 and 16:05 in the 5k.
MIAC schools develop runners right. A step down from the WIAC in terms of competition but still a great spot for many runner’s with low to intermediate talent and a high work ethic. Which one you want depends on your personal tolerance for cornfields, jesus, and woke BS.
St Olaf - Obviously the best the in the conference at developing talent EVEN under Power
St. John’s, Macalester, Gustavus, Bethel - Steady improvements year over year for guys starting at different spots.
Carleton - Skip this school. They recruit studs who burn out or get hurt. Not to say it isn’t a great spot for a bright young person but it does seem like their methods are somewhat unsound.
I ran for Lee University we have had some really big progressions. These are only the all-americans. A lot of success stories of 9:40-9:50 guys going sub 14:30 and 5:20 women going sub 17:00
Christian Noble - 4:10/9:04 to 3:36.00, 7:50, 13:24
Roberto Fajardo - 1:54/4:02 1500m to 1:49, 3:40 national runner-up
Thomas Kelton - 4:30/9:58 to 8:49 3k steeple all-american
Edimo Ninteretse - 10:24 3200m to 7:57/13:59 one year to go
Stephen Clark - 4:25/9:54 to 8:47 in the SC all-american two years to go
Celine Ritter - 4:41 1500m to 4:11
Aria Hawkins - 2:24/5:42 to 4:15 in the 1500m one year to go
Toni Moore - 11:15 3k/18:52 to 10:30/16:36
Estella Clemons - 2:18/5:19 to 4:24 1500m all-american and 20:39 for 6k in just a year. 4 years to go.
Lily Hare - 2:22/5:18 to 2:10, 4:24 all-american
Craziest part about Nintereste is how he looked at his NAIA school (Bryan).
You could definitely see he had some talent there but he had an insane break out at Lee.
We're looking to compile a list of schools/coaches that actually develop hs runners. So not the schools that took STUDS and then they run well...schools that took mid-pack, good runners and developed them.
Looking for schools across ALL divisions, if you or someone you know had a good experience - name the school/coach here.
thanks!
And maybe colleges that learn you to write gooder?
South Dakota State University. Turning 9:40 guys into 13:40 -14:00 guys regularly.
Those runners had to have been grossly undertrained in HS to improve that much in college. If not, it would be possible for a 9:00 guy to run 13:00 or faster in college.
They hold about every NCAA II XC record possible, both men and women. A lot of their their top runners have been developed over 3-5 years, other than some older foreign athletes here and there.
The RMAC has 15 schools - CO Mines, Regis, MSUD, CCU, CSUP, Adams St, Western St, UCCS, Ft. Lewis, New Mexico Highlands, Chadron St, SD Mines, CO Mesa, Westminster and Black Hills State. Most don't have a ton of financial resources, but develop people year after year.
*Most national championships won by a conference all-time (since the RMAC went from the NAIA to NCAA II in 1992).
For the men:
*Most teams qualified for a national meet in one season (8).
*Most all-Americans (top 40 finish) from one conference in a national meet.
*Most teams in the top 5 at a national championship.
*Most teams in the top 10 at a national championship (5).
*Most teams in the top 15 at a national championships.
*Most teams in the top 20 at a national championship (8).
*Most total individuals in one national meet (teams and individuals combined) - 58 men.
*Routinely produces USA Olympic Trials qualifiers, some international team members in World XC, World Champs, Olympics and European Champs. Very long list of successful alumni.
RPI usually does a good job developing runners who’re about mid pack level guys. Not to mention they have a girl who is front runner for D3 XC champ who had never ran XC seriously before
My college team lost to RPI by 2 goddmn points at leagues my SR year (they won it like 6 years consecutively before that) so I'll always hate them a little, but they really do develop people like crazy. Guys that we were vaguely aware of being like the #12 or something would all of a sudden be top 10 or 15 at Regionals. Quite the program