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2 hours ago 09/29/2025 2:33pm EDT

re: orsilochus

orsilochus wrote:
Caleb Morgan of Lee University
He's gotten some heat in the past for some poor coaching decisions but he's a very good coach in my opinion. Currently has a guy on the team that I raced in HS, ran a 10:24 3200m. Now he's a 13:57/7:57/4:06 guy. Many such cases at Lee.
George Watts of ETSU
Watts led Tennessee to several national titles back in the day, and when he gets his hands on talented runners that can and do put in the work, they flourish. One of the most underrated coaches in the nation, but most kids don't give it a chance because its an underfunded program in Johnson City.
Chris Layne of Milligan
Another coach with his fair share of controversy but the results don't lie. Milligan is like Second Chance U for 4:30 high school milers out of Tennessee.
Anyway I think my East Tennesse bias is showing now. A lot of national heavy hitters have been mentioned already. Hayes for sure. Agree that Furman underperforms relative to their resources but they're committed to being all-American and development-first and I think that should be applauded.
Some programs I have less insight to but seem to develop well relative to their recruiting base: Charlotte, Montreat, Kennesaw State. I'd be very interested to see how Lenoir Rhyne does with Braman at the helm after a couple years. Same with Curcio at Sewanee who seems to making some progress already.

Another TN coach: Nick Polk at Lipscomb!

2 hours ago 09/29/2025 2:37pm EDT

re: Loser 1 and 2

Loser 1 and 2 wrote:
Lets Make a List wrote:
For those high schoolers looking at college, let's make a list of coaches that seem dedicated to developing young American athletes:
1. The Garys - Furman. I know there are some controversial takes on Rita, but I feel like they have done a good job developing talent, especially on the men's side.
2. John Hayes - Wake Forest. Almost all American kids on the roster. Good development.
3. Chris Siemers - Colorado School of Mines. Takes pretty mid-level kids and makes them competitive, especially impressive considering they are all engineering majors.
Name some others.
Not Will Palmer and Dave Smith. Two rats who are bad for the sport

Alex Maier

Taylor Roe

Ryan Schoppe

Will Muirhead

Ayden Granados

2 hours ago 09/29/2025 2:38pm EDT

re: runnER/DR

Wake Forest almost all americans?

they have at least 4 internationals on the roster right now and have been that way for the last few years.

2 hours ago 09/29/2025 2:39pm EDT

re: Dirtrunner

Dirtrunner wrote:
Surprised Chris Miltenberg hasn't been mentioned. Currently only has a single girl from Sweden as his one foreigner at UNC. Honestly can't recall any standout foreigners during his time at Stanford or currently UNC, but plenty of home-grown talent he has developed into premier runners.

Tomer Tarragano is 24 and british

2 hours ago 09/29/2025 2:42pm EDT

re: Dirtrunner

Dirtrunner wrote:
actual numbers wrote:
Current rosters:
NAU - W: 2 Australia, 1 Switzerland, M: 1 Israel
NC State - W: 1 Canada, 1 Spain, 1 New Zealand, 1 France, M: 1 South Africa
BYU - W: 0, M: 0
I don't think there's anything wrong with a few foreigners on a roster. Its when coaches are exclusively filling out their top 7 with Kenyans and the few Americans on the roster are on the B-team, that there is a problem

100%

Having a few international athletes is totally fine, provided that they want to come to the U.S. for a college education as well as train, compete, and be part of a team. I also think that having some international athletes is beneficial to the American athletes and the team, creating friendships and learning about another culture is invaluable and can add to the chemistry of the team and it's success.

The funny thing is that the coaches who are only bringing in and paying for foreign athletes to win are not looked upon with a lot of respect from those coaches who do put in the work and log countless hours in trying to achieve success with lesser talented and not "turn key" athletes who already have a training plan and know what they're doing. The word is out of who these coaches are, it's not hard to figure out when you see the results of this past weekend's X-C races. It reminds me of the days of UTEP and WSU back in the late 70's early 80's when the Kenyan invasion first hit the NCAA.

2 hours ago 09/29/2025 2:44pm EDT

re: Definition Please

Definition Please wrote:
Wake Forest almost all americans?
they have at least 4 internationals on the roster right now and have been that way for the last few years.

literally. their first acc xc title was like half international.

Aaron Las Heras - Spain

Luke Tewalt - American

Thomas Vanoppen - Belgium

Zach Facioni - Australia

Joaquin Martinez De Pinillos - American

Ben Mitchell - American

Rynard Swanepoel - South African

and only 1/3 of those guys is from North Carolina. Their current top 7 has 3 international athletes on it.

2 hours ago 09/29/2025 3:07pm EDT

re: Lets Make a List

Rita if you spent more time focused on your own team than other teams maybe they’d be able to catch up to the Africans. Look at Grace Hartman and Parker Valby

1 hour ago 09/29/2025 4:13pm EDT

re: Definition Please

Whoevers the coach at MSU has 0 foreigners, 9th at Gans creek

1 hour ago 09/29/2025 4:19pm EDT

re: Service Academies

Service Academies wrote:
You can guarantee any of the service academies are competing with home grown talent, with the added stipulation of no transfers. Though Air Force is head and shoulders above the others. Shoutout Ryan Cole

I wish Ryan the best, he is a great coach. I wish ASU would have had the courage to give him the program before he left.

09/29/2025 5:07pm EDT

re: orsilochus

orsilochus wrote:
orsilochus wrote:
Caleb Morgan of Lee University
He's gotten some heat in the past for some poor coaching decisions but he's a very good coach in my opinion. Currently has a guy on the team that I raced in HS, ran a 10:24 3200m. Now he's a 13:57/7:57/4:06 guy. Many such cases at Lee.
George Watts of ETSU
Watts led Tennessee to several national titles back in the day, and when he gets his hands on talented runners that can and do put in the work, they flourish. One of the most underrated coaches in the nation, but most kids don't give it a chance because its an underfunded program in Johnson City.
Chris Layne of Milligan
Another coach with his fair share of controversy but the results don't lie. Milligan is like Second Chance U for 4:30 high school milers out of Tennessee.
Anyway I think my East Tennesse bias is showing now. A lot of national heavy hitters have been mentioned already. Hayes for sure. Agree that Furman underperforms relative to their resources but they're committed to being all-American and development-first and I think that should be applauded.
Some programs I have less insight to but seem to develop well relative to their recruiting base: Charlotte, Montreat, Kennesaw State. I'd be very interested to see how Lenoir Rhyne does with Braman at the helm after a couple years. Same with Curcio at Sewanee who seems to making some progress already.
Another TN coach: Nick Polk at Lipscomb!

Lipscomb has a handful of Australians on the team

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